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Mack Brown (not) gone (yet)
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0. If the players don't already know that the staff will do everything (legally and ethically) possible to make them better football players and a better team, then Mack has already failed as HC and should step down immediately. That's the foundational job of a HC and he should have to throw out BS about stepping down if he can't do it for his players to know that he and the staff want them to be the best players & team they can be.
1. I asked you "What are the reasons..." and not your opinion. So, what are the reasons?
2. Because he wasn't wanting to retire, he wanted the players to assure him he didn't need to retire. If you say you're gonna retire, folks get upset you're leaving. If you make it clear you don't want to retire but feel like "someone" thinks you should, then everyone rushes to tell you that you shouldn't. (And this is accepting Mack's version of events, which I don't necessarily agree is factual.)
3. We don't have all the details, but we do have enough to know that something absolutely stupid went down. The many rumors coming out after the game that Mack was resigning. The school refusing to make players available to the media directly after the game against typical team protocol. That some sources report that Mack did tell players in the locker room that he was resigning. We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Mack went into the locker room after an absolutely terrible performance and mentioned stepping down in some way, shape, or form is the absolute "best case scenario" for how Mack fucked this up. Unless you're stepping down immediately, there's no reason to even mention doing so unless you're manipulative or an absolute idiot.
Here's the thing...I wasn't particularly anti-Mack until he pulled this bullshit on Saturday. I thought he deserved to come back in 2023 to turn it around with Drake after things fell apart in 2022. And while I thought he should have resigned after last year when things fell apart again, I know that last year was (sadly) a little better than our historic average and that there probably wasn't a good way to force him out unless he wanted to leave. And I wasn't even terribly upset about the shellacking handed to us by JMU, it was so bad that I was making fun of us by halfway through the 3rd quarter. I mean, I knew we weren't going to be good this year and so why get upset by it.
But Mack acting like a damn drama queen in the locker room and not being leader for the team counting on him is just a bridge too far for me. The guys in that locker room chose to trust you with their college athletic career, yet after that kind of game you can't be a real leader go in there and guide the team forward? FOH. If that's the best that Mack can do, then he needs to ride off into the sunset and let someone who can actual lead the team be the HC.
Also, just for shits and giggles, this isn't the first "Mack's resigning, oh no he isn't" controversy of his career...
"Brown had previously confided in those close to him that he was resigning, the source said. However, Brown was "enraged" when the news leaked to the media, and he decided to change course, according to the source."
Longhorns' Brown meets with AD, president
Embattled Texas coach Mack Brown met Friday with university president Bill Powers and athletic director Steve Patterson, a source told ESPN's Brett McMurphy.
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Oh, look, the dumbass admitted it...
Brown said on Monday that he asked the players if they felt good about him being the head coach moving forward if they were in support of him. Brown added that he wishes he "hadn't put them in that spot," chalking up his postgame comments to his emotions after the game.
"As I was walking off the field, I thought, 'I'm responsible for all this.' It's on me, so I should ask the players about leadership, if they feel good about me moving forward. And that's something I shouldn't do. I shouldn't put that pressure on those young people at that point. And I'm supposed to be a leader.
"If I was going to quit, I would have came in here and done it."
He went into the locker room and put the burden on the players to make him feel ok about being the coach after an epic ass-kicking even when he knew he didn't plan to step down.
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Brown said on Monday that he asked the players if they felt good about him being the head coach moving forward if they were in support of him. Brown added that he wishes he "hadn't put them in that spot," chalking up his postgame comments to his emotions after the game.
"As I was walking off the field, I thought, 'I'm responsible for all this.' It's on me, so I should ask the players about leadership, if they feel good about me moving forward. And that's something I shouldn't do. I shouldn't put that pressure on those young people at that point. And I'm supposed to be a leader.
"If I was going to quit, I would have came in here and done it."
He went into the locker room and put the burden on the players to make him feel ok about being the coach after an epic ass-kicking even when he knew he didn't plan to step down.
Mack Brown Aims to Move UNC Forward After Ugly Loss, Locker Room Address
North Carolina faces Duke on Saturday.
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You got this 100% wrong and the rest of us read between the lines and the actual lines (though IC completely bungled the reporting early on). I pointed this out on IC and got banned.
Go read the latest article on IC. Mack admits that is exactly what he did. After yet another failed humiliation in leadership, he went into the locker room "and asked the players if they still wanted him there." His own words.
That is pathetic disgraceful leadership. It is also the reason why Mack 2.0 has been an absolute failure. He has been retired since he came back. He just wanted more fun being around players and schmoozing boosters and being on TV. It is a fun hobby with a nice payday. He is more interested in being grandpa and friends with players. Which is why there is no accountability, no improvement, lazy soft play, and constant underachieving.
He should have been fired last night. But now says he is getting ready for dook.
I see Snoop beat me to the proof.
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I think it’s easy to get lost in the same talking points when you’re only discussing your team with fellow fans, so it’s good to sometimes get a national perspective on a situation like this.
I listen to the cover 3 podcast for national CFB coverage, and they touched on our game and the situation with Mack during their recap show on Saturday night. I linked the Spotify episode with the time stamp when they start talking about it below, but I’ll give some context for those that don’t have Spotify or don’t want to listen. Bud Elliot (head of recruiting coverage at 247) is one of the hosts, and imo he’s one of the best in the business at big picture analysis of all of these different programs. He’s been extremely critical of Mack and the coaching staff over the last few seasons. Chip Patterson is another one of the hosts. He does national CFB coverage for CBS but is a UNC grad and is still relatively plugged in with the program.
Anyway, Chip’s point was that UNC has a messaging problem right now. I know a lot of us have our thoughts on IC, but at the end of the day they are still the front line source for news and media coverage about the program. Mack is being so wishy washy with his stupid locker room speech about stepping down to the point that even IC can’t give an accurate assessment of what’s going on. The whole thing is a clown show on and off the field. Chip also thinks that this game was the final nail in the coffin for Mack to eventually get canned. His analogy is that the remaining pro-Mack decision makers close to the program that were still playing “offensive line” and shielding Mack from the fans/other people close to the program that wanted him gone after last season, are finally going to step aside and let it happen.
I tried to link it with the exact time stamp, but if it doesn’t work, skip to 1:04:40
I listen to the cover 3 podcast for national CFB coverage, and they touched on our game and the situation with Mack during their recap show on Saturday night. I linked the Spotify episode with the time stamp when they start talking about it below, but I’ll give some context for those that don’t have Spotify or don’t want to listen. Bud Elliot (head of recruiting coverage at 247) is one of the hosts, and imo he’s one of the best in the business at big picture analysis of all of these different programs. He’s been extremely critical of Mack and the coaching staff over the last few seasons. Chip Patterson is another one of the hosts. He does national CFB coverage for CBS but is a UNC grad and is still relatively plugged in with the program.
Anyway, Chip’s point was that UNC has a messaging problem right now. I know a lot of us have our thoughts on IC, but at the end of the day they are still the front line source for news and media coverage about the program. Mack is being so wishy washy with his stupid locker room speech about stepping down to the point that even IC can’t give an accurate assessment of what’s going on. The whole thing is a clown show on and off the field. Chip also thinks that this game was the final nail in the coffin for Mack to eventually get canned. His analogy is that the remaining pro-Mack decision makers close to the program that were still playing “offensive line” and shielding Mack from the fans/other people close to the program that wanted him gone after last season, are finally going to step aside and let it happen.
I tried to link it with the exact time stamp, but if it doesn’t work, skip to 1:04:40
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Oh, look, the dumbass admitted it...
Brown said on Monday that he asked the players if they felt good about him being the head coach moving forward if they were in support of him. Brown added that he wishes he "hadn't put them in that spot," chalking up his postgame comments to his emotions after the game.
"As I was walking off the field, I thought, 'I'm responsible for all this.' It's on me, so I should ask the players about leadership, if they feel good about me moving forward. And that's something I shouldn't do. I shouldn't put that pressure on those young people at that point. And I'm supposed to be a leader.
"If I was going to quit, I would have came in here and done it."
He went into the locker room and put the burden on the players to make him feel ok about being the coach after an epic ass-kicking even when he knew he didn't plan to step down.
Mack Brown Aims to Move UNC Forward After Ugly Loss, Locker Room Address
North Carolina faces Duke on Saturday.
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0. There's a difference between knowing they will try everything they can, and knowing they will try everything they can and then step aside if they can't get it done.0. If the players don't already know that the staff will do everything (legally and ethically) possible to make them better football players and a better team, then Mack has already failed as HC and should step down immediately. That's the foundational job of a HC and he should have to throw out BS about stepping down if he can't do it for his players to know that he and the staff want them to be the best players & team they can be.
1. I asked you "What are the reasons..." and not your opinion. So, what are the reasons?
2. Because he wasn't wanting to retire, he wanted the players to assure him he didn't need to retire. If you say you're gonna retire, folks get upset you're leaving. If you make it clear you don't want to retire but feel like "someone" thinks you should, then everyone rushes to tell you that you shouldn't. (And this is accepting Mack's version of events, which I don't necessarily agree is factual.)
3. We don't have all the details, but we do have enough to know that something absolutely stupid went down. The many rumors coming out after the game that Mack was resigning. The school refusing to make players available to the media directly after the game against typical team protocol. That some sources report that Mack did tell players in the locker room that he was resigning. We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Mack went into the locker room after an absolutely terrible performance and mentioned stepping down in some way, shape, or form is the absolute "best case scenario" for how Mack fucked this up. Unless you're stepping down immediately, there's no reason to even mention doing so unless you're manipulative or an absolute idiot.
Here's the thing...I wasn't particularly anti-Mack until he pulled this bullshit on Saturday. I thought he deserved to come back in 2023 to turn it around with Drake after things fell apart in 2022. And while I thought he should have resigned after last year when things fell apart again, I know that last year was (sadly) a little better than our historic average and that there probably wasn't a good way to force him out unless he wanted to leave. And I wasn't even terribly upset about the shellacking handed to us by JMU, it was so bad that I was making fun of us by halfway through the 3rd quarter. I mean, I knew we weren't going to be good this year and so why get upset by it.
But Mack acting like a damn drama queen in the locker room and not being leader for the team counting on him is just a bridge too far for me. The guys in that locker room chose to trust you with their college athletic career, yet after that kind of game you can't be a real leader go in there and guide the team forward? FOH. If that's the best that Mack can do, then he needs to ride off into the sunset and let someone who can actual lead the team be the HC.
Also, just for shits and giggles, this isn't the first "Mack's resigning, oh no he isn't" controversy of his career...
"Brown had previously confided in those close to him that he was resigning, the source said. However, Brown was "enraged" when the news leaked to the media, and he decided to change course, according to the source."
Longhorns' Brown meets with AD, president
Embattled Texas coach Mack Brown met Friday with university president Bill Powers and athletic director Steve Patterson, a source told ESPN's Brett McMurphy.www.espn.com
1. As I said before, I don't know the reason he said what he said. There endless reasons for why he said it. Without knowing more about the situation, you cannot begin to narrow it down. Which is why, I found your incredibly strong feelings of anger towards him to be an overreaction. Perhaps you know more than I about the situation, if so, I apologize for assuming that you didn't.
2. If he wanted the players to assure him that he didn't need to retire, then why didn't he say, "I think I need to retire," or something to that effect? That would make much more sense to say if that was what he was fishing for, no? Saying that he will step aside if he can't get the job done is not fishing for assurance, imo.
3. Once again, it could be that his comments got misconstrued in the relay. Given how the first ESPN laid it out, versus the IC article, is a clear sign of this.
The rest of your post just reads like someone who doesn't like the guy. I don't know him, so I'll bow out from that part of the discussion.
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Thank you for the link, snoop. That definitely adds more to the situation. I think now we can cut the reasons down. Given that extra information, it sure does sound like the reason was to get assurance from the players, as you were speculating. It's also not what he told ESPN he had said.Oh, look, the dumbass admitted it...
Brown said on Monday that he asked the players if they felt good about him being the head coach moving forward if they were in support of him. Brown added that he wishes he "hadn't put them in that spot," chalking up his postgame comments to his emotions after the game.
"As I was walking off the field, I thought, 'I'm responsible for all this.' It's on me, so I should ask the players about leadership, if they feel good about me moving forward. And that's something I shouldn't do. I shouldn't put that pressure on those young people at that point. And I'm supposed to be a leader.
"If I was going to quit, I would have came in here and done it."
He went into the locker room and put the burden on the players to make him feel ok about being the coach after an epic ass-kicking even when he knew he didn't plan to step down.
Mack Brown Aims to Move UNC Forward After Ugly Loss, Locker Room Address
North Carolina faces Duke on Saturday.
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Thanks. Yes, I had not seen the latest article that snoop posted. See my response above.You got this 100% wrong and the rest of us read between the lines and the actual lines (though IC completely bungled the reporting early on). I pointed this out on IC and got banned.
Go read the latest article on IC. Mack admits that is exactly what he did. After yet another failed humiliation in leadership, he went into the locker room "and asked the players if they still wanted him there." His own words.
That is pathetic disgraceful leadership. It is also the reason why Mack 2.0 has been an absolute failure. He has been retired since he came back. He just wanted more fun being around players and schmoozing boosters and being on TV. It is a fun hobby with a nice payday. He is more interested in being grandpa and friends with players. Which is why there is no accountability, no improvement, lazy soft play, and constant underachieving.
He should have been fired last night. But now says he is getting ready for dook.
I see Snoop beat me to the proof.
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he's always been a butt hurt drama queen. He'll beat Duke this weekend and think, along with some of his base that they are back in the National Championship hunt.
Wait? You are already giving up Saturday's game? I'm pegging you guys to win by 14.
But even if UNC does somehow pull a miraculous turnaround at Duke, I can assure you that none of Mack's "base" (which I think is just Sally at this point) will think we are back in the championship hunt.
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Why hasn’t Butch done anything after UNC?
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I’d imagine it’s because he was terminated due to the program which he oversaw getting slapped with the ‘Loss of Institutional Control’ charges by the NCAA. That is probably a difficult one for most schools’ ADs to justify in a new hire. Plus, he was in his 60’s. He did take FIU to three consecutive bowl games that I believe were the first in program history.
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what are they scared of?
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well two reasons. I've seen the officiating the last two years. Because if Mack loses, he is gone and they won't let that happen on their watch.
Do you mean gone after the game or gone after the season? Cuz I think everyone knows he is gone after the season, and if JMU scoring 70 wasn't enough to get him to leave now, I can't imagine losing at Duke will be enough to push him over the ledge.