MAGA/MAHA/TPUSA/Far Right coalition starting to splinter?
- Thread starter nycfan
- Start date
- Replies: 105
- Views: 2K
- Politics
lawtig02
Legend of ZZL
- Messages
- 5,142
FIFY. Nobody has questioned Tucker's right to interview that racist.Despite the implications (assumptions) here, we have no idea who is supporting Fuentes, and what he stands for, vs who is supporting the "right" of Tucker to remain an influential part of the MAGA coalition after affirming the credibility of the overtly racist, antisemitic Fuentes.
- Messages
- 31,069
A new GOP civil war takes hold
As Rep. Randy Fine was laying into Tucker Carlson during a speech to fellow Jewish Republicans on Saturday, a group of students stood in front of the stage holding signs that read “TUCKER IS NOT MAGA.”
punchbowl.news
4thgenheel
Iconic Member
- Messages
- 1,782
the party is chock-full of loud, disgusting bigots AND people who support them a little more quietly, full stop.Despite the implications (assumptions) here, we have no idea who is supporting Fuentes, and what he stands for, vs who is supporting the "right" of Tucker to interview Fuentes.
Do you think the interview suddenly created all kinds of white nationalists/neo-nazis?
I don't.
idgaf about whatever else you're waffling on about in your usual fashion.
ZenMode
Legend of ZZL
- Messages
- 5,353
Either way, this isn't about support for Fuentes or his views. This is about Tucker platforming a garbage person and tossing him softball questions.
ZenMode
Legend of ZZL
- Messages
- 5,353
And that was the case before and after Tucker interviewed Fuentes. Nothing changed other than Tucker is still desperate to be relevant and is interviewing POS people like Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes.
The belief that Tucker interviewing Fuentes is somehow a turning point for the party, or reflective of some bigger neo-nazi/white supremacist agenda, is just foolish. That's why party leadership is coming out a trashing Tucker, rightfully so.
Even if it IS a turning point, it's not because of sudden support for white supremacy. It's a difference of opinion on whether it's ok for Tucker to interview Fuentes in the manner he did.
MOUNTAINH33L
Honored Member
- Messages
- 926
MAGA: The party of pedos and Nazis.
Basically for the last decade, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, Ted Cruz, etc. have stoked racial and ethnic tensions, fostered hate towards certain religions and migrant groups, and have called for the extermination of Palestinians. They defended Trump and his escalating violent rhetoric, his complete lack of respect for the Constitution or basic American principles like freedom of speech, and they constantly dunked on anyone who objected as being woke libtards.
But now that the deranged political environment they have fostered over the years has produced Nick Fuentes, all of a sudden they are kvetching over a racist Hitler-loving anti-semite becoming popular. The only reason they really care is because he's anti-Israel.
The whole thing is a stunning case of hypocrisy and a lack of any moral principles.
But now that the deranged political environment they have fostered over the years has produced Nick Fuentes, all of a sudden they are kvetching over a racist Hitler-loving anti-semite becoming popular. The only reason they really care is because he's anti-Israel.
The whole thing is a stunning case of hypocrisy and a lack of any moral principles.
Mulberry Heel
Inconceivable Member
- Messages
- 3,247
I do think Trump is sui generis in many respects - he is charismatic, he is entertaining in rallies and on television, and he's always been an entertainer (not a businessman or negotiator or anything else really) whose narcissism makes him crave the spotlight and be the center of attention, and he is very comfortable in that role. He needs to be worshipped and adored, and his supporters obviously seem to need someone to worship and blindly follow and adore. I don't think anyone else in the MAGA movement, including Vance, has anything like his personal charisma or bluster or entertainment factor for his flock. That doesn't mean that one of these brown-nosing clowns couldn't win the presidency, only that Trump's visceral appeal to, and hold over, his base is unique.
MAGA really is a cult of personality - I just don't see Vance or Hawley or Cotton or any current possible successor having adoring worshippers who plaster their homes and yards with flags and buttons with their name for years and years (even when said signs and flags have faded and been torn) and center much of their existence around celebrating and promoting him. As much as I think it is an insane, devastating, and horrific nightmare movement for this country in so many ways, there's no denying that Trump has created a hold on his followers that almost unique in US history - I don't remember Reagan, Clinton, or Obama ever having that level of blind adoration. And I don't see any of his possible successors creating that bond either, although they could certainly still win if the Democrats nominate a weak or inept candidate.
Last edited:
- Messages
- 31,069
G.O.P. Figures Seek Distance From Tucker Carlson, Denouncing Antisemitism
Prominent Republicans rejected the views of Nick Fuentes, a white supremacist, though some refrained from directly criticizing Tucker Carlson for interviewing him.
G.O.P. Figures Seek Distance From Tucker Carlson, Denouncing Antisemitism
Prominent Republicans rejected the views of Nick Fuentes, a white supremacist, though some refrained from directly criticizing Tucker Carlson for interviewing him.
“… The uproar over Mr. Carlson’s interview has created a dilemma for many Republicans in Congress. Many have routinely derided “cancel culture” among progressives and accused the left of intolerance. They have also rejected the idea that conservatives should cast out figures within their own ranks who make indefensible statements.
When a cache of leaked antisemitic, misogynistic and other bigoted texts that circulated among a group of Republican operatives recently surfaced, Vice President JD Vance ridiculed the outraged reaction as “pearl clutching.”
But others, including Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, have argued that Republicans must rid their movement of such viewpoints.… Mr. Cruz’s personal and ideological grievances with Mr. Carlson are not new. He was a guest on Mr. Carlson’s show in June, when Mr. Carlson tried to embarrass him by putting him on the spot about his knowledge of Iran. …”
- Messages
- 31,069
“… Jewish Republicans in the past have combated the influence of David Duke, the former Ku Klux Klan leader who made inroads with the Republican Party in the 1990s. They stood up to Pat Buchanan, the former Republican presidential candidate who advanced antisemitic ideology.G.O.P. Figures Seek Distance From Tucker Carlson, Denouncing Antisemitism
Prominent Republicans rejected the views of Nick Fuentes, a white supremacist, though some refrained from directly criticizing Tucker Carlson for interviewing him.
G.O.P. Figures Seek Distance From Tucker Carlson, Denouncing Antisemitism
Prominent Republicans rejected the views of Nick Fuentes, a white supremacist, though some refrained from directly criticizing Tucker Carlson for interviewing him.www.nytimes.com
“… The uproar over Mr. Carlson’s interview has created a dilemma for many Republicans in Congress. Many have routinely derided “cancel culture” among progressives and accused the left of intolerance. They have also rejected the idea that conservatives should cast out figures within their own ranks who make indefensible statements.
When a cache of leaked antisemitic, misogynistic and other bigoted texts that circulated among a group of Republican operatives recently surfaced, Vice President JD Vance ridiculed the outraged reaction as “pearl clutching.”
But others, including Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, have argued that Republicans must rid their movement of such viewpoints.… Mr. Cruz’s personal and ideological grievances with Mr. Carlson are not new. He was a guest on Mr. Carlson’s show in June, when Mr. Carlson tried to embarrass him by putting him on the spot about his knowledge of Iran. …”
Antisemitism in the Republican Party can be traced all the way back to the John Birch Society, a semi-secret society that espoused antisemitic views.
Mr. Carlson remains a formidable force in the Republican Party, and some of the biggest critics in the days after the Fuentes interview were those who had warned of his dangerous influence for years….”
- Messages
- 1,212
ZenMode
Legend of ZZL
- Messages
- 5,353
Antisemitism in the US goes back to the founding of the US just like antisemitism in the parties do. The outrage only quieted because Israel became politically useful.
- Messages
- 31,069
“… Internal chats reviewed by The Post show high-ranking members of the Heritage Foundation told each other privately how “embarrassed” and “disgusted” they were by Kevin Roberts’ “ridiculous” decision to come to Carlson’s defense over the sitdown with Fuentes, 27, who has expressed antisemitic views and denied that the Holocausthappened.
“I’m disgusted by this and don’t understand how this premeditated and orchestrated response could come out of one of the biggest think tanks in the world,” one wrote.
… The ripple effect from Roberts’ statement has gone beyond staff issues, with sources close to the think tank saying that it has been “hemorrhaging” evangelical Christian and Jewish contributors.
“This is ridiculous, on the one hand, KDR [Roberts] says that we can’t ‘cancel our own people,’ referring to Tucker and Fuentes, when, on the other hand, he literally cancelled the Boston College Republicans by calling them a bunch of ‘soft men‘ to whom the future doesn’t belong,” one Heritage staffer said in the private chat group.
… A second asked whether members of the think tank were “part of the venomous coalition for calling out Tucker for playing footsie with literal Nazis?”
“Saying we can’t cancel someone is safe space wokeism,” offered a third.
“If we are labeled on the same side as Nick Fuentes, then we deserve to lose,” chimed in a fourth Heritage colleague, who later added: “Talking with some of the interns I think that there are a growing number of them who actually agree” with the views Fuentes espoused.
…
Heritage reps have pushed back on reports that an emergency Board of Trustees meeting occurred Saturday in the wake of the Roberts’ statements, but some of its members took to X to issue lengthy statements sounding the alarm about antisemitism gaining ground in the conservative movement.
“American conservatism today faces a challenge. That challenge comes from those who reject our commitment to inherent and equal human dignity. They are seeking acceptance in the conservative movement and its institutions, and they do so with the ultimate objective of transforming them by undermining that commitment,” Princeton University professor Robert P. George posted.
- Messages
- 2,091
The antisemitic remarks by Richard Nixon on some of his recorded phone calls were shocking.
Let's be clear that this wasn't just a few people.
- Public opinion: A 1939 poll by the American Institute of Public Opinion (Gallup) found that two-thirds of Americans would not agree to take in 10,000 German Jewish refugee children. Another poll found that 61% of Americans said "no" to allowing these children to come into the country, with only 30% saying "yes".
- Government policy: This public opinion was reflected in the government's actions. The State Department, at the time, used unproven claims that refugees posed a national security threat and could be Nazi spies to justify its restrictive policies.
- The St. Louis incident: In June 1939, the German ocean liner St. Louis and its 937 passengers, almost all Jewish, were turned away from the port of Miami after being denied entry to Cuba. The ship was subsequently forced to return to Europe, where over a quarter of its passengers died in the Holocaust.
- Underlying factors: In addition to public sentiment, strict immigration quotas were in place, and government officials showed a reluctance to admit more refugees. Many officials were influenced by antisemitism and feared that refugees would pose an economic or security threat.
- Messages
- 31,069
[There is no mention of James Dean in the article — Opinion | Nick Fuentes Is Becoming Charlie Kirk’s Successor — and I thought the photo was meant to make Fuentes look more threatening than the blowhard incel nerd he comes off as in real life]
- Messages
- 31,069
“… In 2019, seeking to expose Kirk as “anti-white” and a “fake patriot,” Fuentes organized his army of young fans — known as Groypers, after a variant on the alt-right Pepe the Frog meme — to flood events held by Kirk’s organization, Turning Point, and ask hostile questions. At one, they drove Donald Trump Jr. off the stage.
After Kirk was murdered, Fuentes, perhaps fearing he’d be blamed, disavowed violence. But he continued his attacks on Turning Point and accused Kirk’s widow, Erika, of being happy her husband was dead. “I am getting this vibe from her that she’s very fake,” he said.
Even as Fuentes defamed Kirk’s widow, powerful conservatives were engaged in a nationwide campaign to canonize Kirk and destroy progressives who maligned him. Guest-hosting Kirk’s podcast, JD Vance urged listeners to report anyone celebrating Kirk’s death to their employers. In such an atmosphere, one might think that Fuentes’s stock on the right would have fallen. Instead, it’s risen higher than ever, revealing a seemingly unstoppable ratchet of radicalization on the right.
If you’re not familiar with Fuentes’s ideology, he helpfully distilled it on his streaming show, “America First,” in March. “Jews are running society, women need to shut up,” he said, using an obscenity. “Blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part.” His sneering, proudly transgressive attitude has made him a hero to legions of mostly young men who resent all forms of political gatekeeping. The conservative writer Rod Dreher, a close friend of Vance, warned, “I am told by someone in a position to know that something like 30 to 40 percent of D.C. G.O.P. staffers under the age of 30 are Groypers.” The figure is impossible to check, but it captures a widespread sense that Fuentes’s politics are ascendant.…”
- Messages
- 31,069
“…Not all conservatives embrace the idea of “no enemies to the right” — Dreher has writtenpowerfully against it — but it’s become a significant current in our politics. When Politico reported that several Young Republican leaders took part in a racist group chat that included praise for Hitler, some in the party were appalled, and a few of the participants lost their jobs. But Vance defended them as “kids” whose lives shouldn’t be ruined for telling jokes. (Some were in their 30s).
Within certain MAGA circles, to criticize someone for being too racist or reactionary is a betrayal, signaling an acceptance of the very liberal morality that the movement’s vanguard seeks to destroy.…”