MAGA on full display

finesse said:
Unconditional surrender to greed and power is not reconciliation. Personally, I blame a lot of the problems on that lying POS child of privilege Paul.
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Why blame Paul? The gospels aren't exemplary exercises in moral virtue, at least not if you eschatologically frame what Jesus says and does. Plus, the scenes with Pontius Pilate make it clear that they are already trying to pass the buck: on the one hand, Christ-confessors are not the same as "obstinate" Jews and, on the other, Christ-confessors can be reconciled to the Roman state.

Ironically, Revelation is the kookiest New Testament book, but also the one most openly hostile to empire.
 
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donbosco said:
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Not sure, but I think that is Dillworth United Methodist Church in Charlotte. Way to go Dillworth! Way to go UMC! Except for the fact that pretty much all the MAGA Methodists have already left to form the "Global Methodist Church," I bet the UMC would lose churches and membership over this. The "Global" Methodists left in a huff over the UMC's decision to (1) recognize same sex marriages, (2) allow the ordination of non-celibate gay clergy, and (3) finally crack down on "youth ministers" who were actually pedophiles.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I feel like everyone I heard speak in that video is a complete child and needs to be thrown into a playground cage with each other. Oh, and someone tell vest bro that the Colosseum was built 100 years before Christianity even had a foothold in Rome.
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I am often reminded of the admonition " Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig. "

I still think that even though it may be wasting my time, I think that trying to teach pigs to sing is worth the effort.
 
Milk and Cookies said:
Jesus said to follow the law of Moses. The ones where you can stone women and children, keep slaves, etc. Pass.
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Well, there's the law of Moses, and then there's the law of Moses. Inasmuch as he walks and talks like a Pharisee, Jesus was another participant in the constant renegotiation and reappraisal of the Mosaic law. Of course, you're still welcome to pass on it, but Jesus did not have some literalist take on the law, and not just because such a thing is impossible. Just like every Pharisiac interpreter, he could go stricter: no divorce! He could also go more lenient: don't cast stones, though that story is a later interpolation, i.e., it's definitely ahistorical.

Long story short--yeah, slaves were ok, but I don't think scholars have actually concluded that practical, on-the-ground jurisprudence resulted in people constantly stoning impudent children and the like.
 
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heelinhell said:
I am often reminded of the admonition " Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig. "

I still think that even though it may be wasting my time, I think that trying to teach pigs to sing is worth the effort.
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Because I am fundamentally a real (vulgar work for donkey) any time someone mentions trying to teach a pig to sing, my mind goes to that scene in the movie "Deliverance" where the "country boy" is trying to teach the character played by Ned Beatty sing like a pig. Or was it "squeal like a pig"?
 
05C40 said:
Because I am fundamentally a real (vulgar work for donkey) any time someone mentions trying to teach a pig to sing, my mind goes to that scene in the movie "Deliverance" where the "country boy" is trying to teach the character played by Ned Beatty sing like a pig. Or was it "squeal like a pig"?
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I had the opportunity to river raft down the Chattooga River back in the day:cool:

Deliverance is one of the all time great movies with Burt Reynolds, Ned Beatty, John Voight, and Ronnie Cox.

My favorite scene is the dueling banjo scene :

 
breepf said:
Well, there's the law of Moses, and then there's the law of Moses. Inasmuch as he walks and talks like a Pharisee, Jesus was another participant in the constant renegotiation and reappraisal of the Mosaic law. Of course, you're still welcome to pass on it, but Jesus did not have some literalist take on the law, and not just because such a thing is impossible. Just like every Pharisiac interpreter, he could go stricter: no divorce! He could also go more lenient: don't cast stones, though that story is a later interpolation, i.e., it's definitely ahistorical.

Long story short--yeah, slaves were ok, but I don't think scholars have actually concluded that practical, on-the-ground jurisprudence resulted in people constantly stoning impudent children and the like.
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A comparative analysis of the laws laid out in the Bible vs daily jurisprudence is an interesting topic for sure and another example of the hypocrisy of the dogma but a tangent to my general point here.
The point I’m trying to make is that even if Christians want to cherry pick what Jesus said in the NT in an attempt to keep their hands clean from the vile rhetoric of the OT (like a couple posters suggested in this thread) they are inextricably linked. Jesus said to follow all of the awful laws of the OT. “Whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven”. Sorry cherry pickers — you’re stuck justifying all of it as the basis for your morality.
 
Milk and Cookies said:
A comparative analysis of the laws laid out in the Bible vs daily jurisprudence is an interesting topic for sure and another example of the hypocrisy of the dogma but a tangent to my general point here.
The point I’m trying to make is that even if Christians want to cherry pick what Jesus said in the NT in an attempt to keep their hands clean from the vile rhetoric of the OT (like a couple posters suggested in this thread) they are inextricably linked. Jesus said to follow all of the awful laws of the OT. “Whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven”. Sorry cherry pickers — you’re stuck justifying all of it as the basis for your morality.
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I don't think ancient Israelites and/or Judeans felt the same pressure as modern-day Christians to regard the text of the bible as literally true and actionable. Not to mention: the actual contents of the Hebrew Bible were the purview of a small fraction of literate urban scribes. The hoi polloi gaveth no fucks--scriptures takes a backseat to the ways is in which religious ritual inflects the mundane and cyclical events of the days and seasons.

Yes, modern-day Christians are in a tougher spot. Luther fucked them over with sola scriptura. Plus, they can read and the printing press made the bible super fucking easy to find.
 
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