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Admittedly, with all the other turds swirling in the Trump bowl, I haven't paid much attention to the Kennedy clown show. I thought it might be time for a more focused thread on Brain Worm Boy and his sometimes mentally-adled adventures.

I've heard about the vaccine denialism by regulatory fiat and the firing of people who believe in science. I've noticed the attack on fast food and food dyes (two initiatives that if done by a Democratic Administration, would have been met by MAGA with armed resistance and cries of "ma freedum to eat ma triple whopper").

What have I missed? What are your feelings about MAHA? Is there ANYTHING good coming from the brain worm? Feel free to discuss and illuminate below.
 
8992Tiger said:
The first sentence on your post may be the best I have ever read on this forum.

I think the emphasis on our food supply is good, but I don't trust him to get it right, given his arrogant ignorance of science. That is most positive thing i can say about him.
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It seems as if at least some of the things he's said he is concerned about, like some additives being used in various foods and the need to reduce obesity, are good goals, but as you said I don't trust either him or the people around him to actually do anything worthwhile about it. To the contrary, much of what he wants to do - like abolishing vaccines - will almost certainly be disastrous in the long run, and much of what he believes is based on pure fringe medicine and conspiracy theory bunk.
 
He's been able to get companies to self ban a large number of food additives in a few months. No one else has really been able to do that.

We can all still get the same vaccines despite the fear tactics.

I don't like everything he is doing with vaccines, although I do think more studies are warranted, but so far the limitation of artificial additives, the focus on ultra processed foods, even the willingness to go after understudied but sacred health policy like fluoride in public water have been on point.

If he was a Democrat, we'd be calling him the greatest HHS director ever and Republicans would be offering the same criticisms that Democrats have been lobbing at him. Its partisan nonsense.
 
rfk jr’s naturalnews.com bullshit doesn’t matter one iota when the federal government prefers pollution and poison in the environment. Dyes, hfcs vs cane sugar, tOxINs!!! in our food! are all propaganda campaigns when billionaires and “stick a finger in your eye” magas would rather cargill, DuPont, Wolverine, Exxon, Koch Industries, dump millions of tons of pollutants into our air, soil, and water.

You can’t have “maha” and environmental deregulation.
 
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"If he was a Democrat, we'd be calling him the greatest HHS director ever and Republicans would be offering the same criticisms that Democrats have been lobbing at him. Its partisan nonsense."

Your last sentence is nonsense. He has fired hundreds of scientists at NIH, CDC, and FDA. I don't think that would be getting him accolades from anybody except vaccine deniers. And access to vaccines isn't the issue. Herd immunity (or the lack thereof) is the problem so the fact that "we can all still get the same vaccines despite the fear tactics" is irrelevant
 
gtyellowjacket said:
He's been able to get companies to self ban a large number of food additives in a few months. No one else has really been able to do that.

We can all still get the same vaccines despite the fear tactics.

I don't like everything he is doing with vaccines, although I do think more studies are warranted, but so far the limitation of artificial additives, the focus on ultra processed foods, even the willingness to go after understudied but sacred health policy like fluoride in public water have been on point.

If he was a Democrat, we'd be calling him the greatest HHS director ever and Republicans would be offering the same criticisms that Democrats have been lobbing at him. Its partisan nonsense.
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If he was a Dem, he'd have never sniffed the position because he's a degenerate nutcase with no credentials, no experience and a lifetime of scandal. WTF is wrong with you? The policies he's pushing will directly kill more people than anyone in his position probably ever has.
 
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finesse said:
If he was a Dem, he'd have never sniffed the the position because he's a degenerate nutcase with no credentials, no experience and a lifetime of scandal. WTF is wrong with you? The policies he's pushing will directly kill more people than anyone in his position probably ever has.
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Like what policies? Give me a concrete example of anything he has banned that will kill a bunch of people.
 
farce© said:
"If he was a Democrat, we'd be calling him the greatest HHS director ever and Republicans would be offering the same criticisms that Democrats have been lobbing at him. Its partisan nonsense."

Your last sentence is nonsense. He has fired hundreds of scientists at NIH, CDC, and FDA. I don't think that would be getting him accolades from anybody except vaccine deniers. And access to vaccines isn't the issue. Herd immunity (or the lack thereof) is the problem so the fact that "we can all still get the same vaccines despite the fear tactics" is irrelevant
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The lack of herd immunity is an issue. I don't agree with it and I vaccinate myself and my family so it doesn't really effect me. I know it could on certain situations but it hasn't and I suspect that is the same for most people. And I understand the argument that people should not be required to take a vaccine to function in society.
 
Healing said:
rfk jr’s naturalnews.com bullshit doesn’t matter one iota when the federal government prefers pollution and poison in the environment. Dyes, hfcs vs cane sugar, tOxINs!!! in our food! are all propaganda campaigns if billionaires and “stick a finger in your eye” magas would rather cargill, DuPont, Wolverine, Exxon, Koch Industries, dump millions on tons of pollutants into our air, soil, and water.

You can’t have “maha” and environmental deregulation.
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No argument there. Its not exactly in the HHS regulatory scope, but he could speak out as the head of HHS. He might not be around much longer to work on food and drug safety, but it could address environmental concerns.
 
There has been a running thread here, though no harm having a new one if folks prefer:

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Politics Thread 'RFK Jr, HHs & Public Health News | Measles outbreak, etc.'

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The Food and Drug Administration may soon banartificial dye Red No. 3, thanks to the work of many public health advocates and lobbyists. The petroleum-based dye, found in thousands of products, including candies, snacks and sodas, has been linked to thyroid cancer in rats and behavioral issues in children.


The FDA has been considering the ban since 2022 and is expected to announce a decision any day. Growing concerns about the dye have already led the state of California to ban it, a law that will take effect in 2027. In addition, Red Dye No. 3 has been banned or severely...
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gtyellowjacket said:
He's been able to get companies to self ban a large number of food additives in a few months. No one else has really been able to do that.

We can all still get the same vaccines despite the fear tactics.

I don't like everything he is doing with vaccines, although I do think more studies are warranted, but so far the limitation of artificial additives, the focus on ultra processed foods, even the willingness to go after understudied but sacred health policy like fluoride in public water have been on point.

If he was a Democrat, we'd be calling him the greatest HHS director ever and Republicans would be offering the same criticisms that Democrats have been lobbing at him. Its partisan nonsense.
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The fall Covid and likely Flu vaccines will not be available. And existing vaccines will not necessarily, as in the past, be free paid for by insurance or the Gov. So no we cannot still get the vaccines we need.
 
nycfan said:
There has been a running thread here, though no harm having a new one if folks prefer:

nycfan

Politics Thread 'RFK Jr, HHs & Public Health News | Measles outbreak, etc.'

“…
The Food and Drug Administration may soon banartificial dye Red No. 3, thanks to the work of many public health advocates and lobbyists. The petroleum-based dye, found in thousands of products, including candies, snacks and sodas, has been linked to thyroid cancer in rats and behavioral issues in children.


The FDA has been considering the ban since 2022 and is expected to announce a decision any day. Growing concerns about the dye have already led the state of California to ban it, a law that will take effect in 2027. In addition, Red Dye No. 3 has been banned or severely...
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Oops. Clearly, I didn't do my own research. Plus, I like my punchy new thread title. For the slower among us, it has fewer difficult words to navigate. :)
 
Kingpin said:
The fall Covid and likely Flu vaccines will not be available. And existing vaccines will not necessarily, as in the past, be free paid for by insurance or the Gov. So no we cannot still get the vaccines we need.
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Where are you getting that? You can already get this years flu shot. Go down to Walgreens and roll up your sleeve. The covid shots are scheduled to arrive this fall like they have been every year so you can't get it yet but there is no HHS policy saying you can't get it.

Insurance coverage is a bit more uncertain. Insurance companies have already budgeted for it which means their provider partners are counting on it, likely by contract, so its likely you will still get it for free. ACA requires all recommended vaccines to be provided for free. The flu shot is recommended but the covid vaccine is being decided on in the next month or two. That does not mean insurance plans are prevented from providing it for free regardless of recommendation and again, it is budgeted.
 
How many times has this administration been taken to court for budgeted money not going to where it was budgeted? I think your assumption that budgeted is some sort of guarantee of paid for might be a tad unwarranted.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Where are you getting that? You can already get this years flu shot. Go down to Walgreens and roll up your sleeve. The covid shots are scheduled to arrive this fall like they have been every year so you can't get it yet but there is no HHS policy saying you can't get it.

Insurance coverage is a bit more uncertain. Insurance companies have already budgeted for it which means their provider partners are counting on it, likely by contract, so its likely you will still get it for free. ACA requires all recommended vaccines to be provided for free. The flu shot is recommended but the covid vaccine is being decided on in the next month or two. That does not mean insurance plans are prevented from providing it for free regardless of recommendation and again, it is budgeted.
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The fall Covid shot being developed by MODERNA targeted at the current strains was cancelled by DOGE. If it comes out at all, it will not be with Gov help, as in the past, or paid for. Any Covid shot available today is to past strains.
Also, the panel of experts who advise every year on the current strain of Flu to target for new vaccines was fired by RFKJr. So, as I said…..,
 
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