Many Americans Say the Democratic Party Does Not Share Their Priorities

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Batt Boy said:
The board will not tolerate this view. It will attack folks who agree with it. It will coalesce around a politically convenient view that others caused the dreadful election result and not look internally one bit. I fear it will be a long, long time if ever before we get the common voter back.
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I dint think you will find many people on here that who don't "tolerate" the view that Americans view Dems as being too driven by social issues. That is, of course, different thN Dems actually being toondriven by social issues. If one polled actual economic and health policies, the Dem positions would be be far more popular than Republican positions.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I dint think you will find many people on here that who don't "tolerate" the view that Americans view Dems as being too driven by social issues. That is, of course, different thN Dems actually being toondriven by social issues. If one polled actual economic and health policies, the Dem positions would be be far more popular than Republican positions.
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I agree about the polling, but not about this board or Dem leadership. The board is replete with reasons we lost: Biden waited too long, the economy was bad, egg prices were high, not enough money., Obama waited too long, the country is full of racists, the tech oligarchs swayed things, etc but seldom the issues shown in this poll - that we are sadly out of touch with what's important to many voters.
 
Paine said:
We’ve tried having this conversation on the board and most posters don’t want to hear it or have it. I fear they are representative of the party as a whole, unfortunately. The DNC chair race shows that the party isn’t interested in taking a hard look in the mirror.
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You're right about that. I don't give a shit about changing things to cater to the false image passed off by a bunch of lying assholes in the MAGAt movement. Let the bastards go to hell finding out what they bought.
 
wmheel1287 said:
That's not accurate.
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Like I said, most posters aren’t going to agree.

I’d recommend reading Yascha Mounk’s book called The Identity Trap. It does the best job of explaining what Mounk calls “the identity synthesis” that has pervaded the Democratic Party, nonprofit sector, universities, and businesses.

These Americans who say the Democratic Party is too focused on social issues over economic issues are absolutely right and there is something there. This isn’t all because of Republican propaganda or whatever.

Liberal Democrats and progressives have strayed too far from the universalist message of liberalism.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I dint think you will find many people on here that who don't "tolerate" the view that Americans view Dems as being too driven by social issues. That is, of course, different thN Dems actually being toondriven by social issues. If one polled actual economic and health policies, the Dem positions would be be far more popular than Republican positions.
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There was a poll last year that listed policy without party, dem policy clearly won out.
 
Batt Boy said:
I agree about the polling, but not about this board or Dem leadership. The board is replete with reasons we lost: Biden waited too long, the economy was bad, egg prices were high, not enough money., Obama waited too long, the country is full of racists, the tech oligarchs swayed things, etc but seldom the issues shown in this poll - that we are sadly out of touch with what's important to many voters.
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You don't see any of those as factors?
 
Paine said:
Like I said, most posters aren’t going to agree.

I’d recommend reading Yascha Mounk’s book called The Identity Trap. It does the best job of explaining what Mounk calls “the identity synthesis” that has pervaded the Democratic Party, nonprofit sector, universities, and businesses.

These Americans who say the Democratic Party is too focused on social issues over economic issues are absolutely right and there is something there. This isn’t all because of Republican propaganda or whatever.

Liberal Democrats and progressives have strayed too far from the universalist message of liberalism.
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So under the biden administration I recall more policies to achieve a soft landing economically than I do to support LBGTQ rights.
 
Paine said:
Like I said, most posters aren’t going to agree.

I’d recommend reading Yascha Mounk’s book called The Identity Trap. It does the best job of explaining what Mounk calls “the identity synthesis” that has pervaded the Democratic Party, nonprofit sector, universities, and businesses.

These Americans who say the Democratic Party is too focused on social issues over economic issues are absolutely right and there is something there. This isn’t all because of Republican propaganda or whatever.

Liberal Democrats and progressives have strayed too far from the universalist message of liberalism.
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I find great irony that your assertions that Democrats aren't connected to everyday Americans and are too connected to ideas born of academia always involve further reading assignments into academia and theory.

Dems need a better way to connect to everyday Americans. The last thing Dems need to do is a reading assignment. They just need to listen and echo what people say is important to them. That happens by just being there. It also happens, unfortunately, by pandering to what people want to hear because average Americans are far too childish to deal with harsh truths that we cannot have it all.

Republicans are full of bombast and pandering with almost no substance. Dems are full of substance but are tedious and boring.

That is the modern American political battle.
 
UNCatTech said:
You don't see any of those as factors?
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of course they were all factors. every one of them. Additionally, the Dems have made a bunch of social policies more important than those policies the common workers values. That's what so frustrating. We could do so much better if we were smarter. But I don't think the Dem leadership, nor the cabal here even considers what the common voters cares about because "we" know better.
 
UNCatTech said:
So understand biden I recall more policies to achieve a soft landing economically than I do to support LBGTQ rights.
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Yes, I agree. That being said, looking at this just through the lens of Biden’s presidency and Harris’ campaign is much too narrow. This phenomenon has been festering for a long time. I feel like a lot of people who call themselves Democrats feel it deep down and are afraid to speak it out loud for fear of being canceled or seen as not committed to equality.
 
The good news is that all of the people who apparently think that pronouns or the audacity of the existence of transgender people are the greatest existential threat of our time are about to get to take their medicine at the supermarket or at the gas pump over and over and over again in the coming months. Will be interesting to see whether they continue to care that a purple haired Starbucks barista out there somewhere may have pronouns on their nametag when they’re paying a needless Trump tax on literally everything that we use and consume on a daily basis.

As a former Republican whose entire family still votes Republican for the most part, I have said for years that I wish the Democrats would lay off the culture war stuff because it’s a fight they simply can’t win against the right wing media apparatus. They need to focus almost exclusively on economic issues and then figuring out an effective way to boast, brag, and shout it from the rooftops that historic data repeatedly shows that everyday Americans fare much better under Democratic administrations than they do under Republican ones. “Republicans are for billionaires. Democrats are for you.”
 
wmheel1287 said:
I find great irony that your assertions that Democrats aren't connected to everyday Americans and are too connected to ideas born of academia always involve further reading assignments into academia and theory.

Dems need a better way to connect to everyday Americans. The last thing Dems need to do is a reading assignment. They just need to listen and echo what people say is important to them. That happens by just being there. It also happens, unfortunately, by pandering to what people want to hear because average Americans are far too childish to deal with harsh truths that we cannot have it all.
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I’m not saying Democrats need to hand out reading assignments to voters. People on this board who are actually interested in this need to read though. Not sure how you can argue otherwise.
 
Batt Boy said:
of course they were all factors. every one of them. Additionally, the Dems have made a bunch of social policies more important than those policies the common workers values. That's what so frustrating. We could do so much better if we were smarter. But I don't think the Dem leadership, nor the cabal here even considers what the common voters cares about because "we" know better.
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Tell me the genuine problems they are scared of that weren't being addressed. It's all about things that go bump in the night.
 
Paine said:
I’m not saying Democrats need to hand out reading assignments to voters. People on this board who are actually interested in this need to read though. Not sure how you can argue otherwise.
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What i argue is that while you are well meaning and bring a lot to the board, you are actually far more isolated from what average Americans want in political leadership than most of us that you rail against. Your own ideas of governance, if championed, would be pilloried by the American populace. Thats my point about further reading and theory. It doesn't work for dealing with realities on the ground.

Democrats suck at personality. Much of rhat is because pushes at equality are almost always led by people who need to be told to shut the fuck up and sit down. We need Dems strong enough to do that while also pushing for the equality.

We don't need a change in direction of policy whole hog...we need a change in direction of personality and perception.
 
wmheel1287 said:
What i argue is that while you are well meaning and bring a lot to the board, you are actually far more isolated from what average Americans want in political leadership than most of us that you rail against. Your own ideas of governance, if championed, would be pilloried by the American populace. Thats my point about further reading and theory. It doesn't work for dealing with realities on the ground.

Democrats suck at personality. Much of rhat is because pushes at equality are almost always led by people who need to be told to shut the fuck up and sit down. We need Dems strong enough to do that while also pushing for the equality.

We don't need a change in direction of policy whole hog...we need a change in direction of personality and perception.
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Respectfully, I think you’re off base on what you know about me and how I approach politics.
 
Culture war stuff can win elections, it just did. It doesn’t work when you are afraid to pick sides. Democrats dancing around the issue to avoid offending anyone has somehow allowed Republicans to define them without actually winning victories for the people they want to support.
 
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