Masculinity

ZenMode said:
Not sure what to say. There's a lot of info out there and has been for a few years. I've seen links to increased suicide rates among young men.

Edit: like anything else in today's media environment, I'm sure there is some exaggeration regarding the issue, but it has definitely been covered.
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Is there anything that is more than internet chatter? Is there a particular profile or profiles of the type men most affected?
 
ZenMode said:
Not sure what to say. There's a lot of info out there and has been for a few years. I've seen links to increased suicide rates among young men.

Edit: like anything else in today's media environment, I'm sure there is some exaggeration regarding the issue, but it has definitely been covered.
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I didnt say there isnt an issue. There are definitely issues. You said thay there was a craze painting all masculinity as being bad.
 
farce© said:
He believes any and all illiberal bullshit.
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It's the all things are new to the youngsters. Nothing happened before the internet. Despite the ancient Greek playwrights writing about the war of the sexes, it's brand new. Guys, only the casus belli changed. Selfish macho guys are always going to suffer when women have a free choice because there's only so many airhead bimbos and himbos around that love that stuff.
 
A lot of this come down externalizing vs internalizing and it's probably not a conscious choice.

Some dudes blame the world and get angry others look at themselves and work on being better.

From my experience conservatives are predominantly externalizers, MAGA in particular, it feeds off into their blaming nature.
 
My son boxes and wrestles and by the time he is an adult he has the potential to be, as Mick in Rocky said, “a very dangerous person.”
I remind him all the time that tough guys protect the vulnerable, they don’t bully or prey on them. And I don’t mean just in a purely physical sense. (A tough guy has empathy for the poor, for example).
 
I see this as one of the areas where both the left and the right have expanded the Overton window a bit, but it's moved much further to the right than to the left. No doubt there has been a recent emphasis from the left on opposing "toxic" masculinity, and that term is understood by many on the left to include certain attributes that were considered conventionally "male" just a couple of decades ago. But the much larger movement has been the effort by the right to not just reestablish conventional masculinity, but to expand what's considered appropriate maleness to include things that are extremely harmful (and offputting) to young women. I don't think it's hard to be a well-adjusted young man in this society -- UNLESS you're plugged into the bro/incel/evangelical culture that dominates the American right. If you fall into that trap, you're highly likely to view women more like a traditional man from 1850 than a traditional man from 2000.
 
ChileG said:
My son boxes and wrestles and by the time he is an adult he has the potential to be, as Mick in Rocky said, “a very dangerous person.”
I remind him all the time that tough guys protect the vulnerable, they don’t bully or prey on them. And I don’t mean just in a purely physical sense. (A tough guy has empathy for the poor, for example).
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I am spending New Years at a cabin for a few days -the guy of the couple we are going with looks like he was a linebacker 50 years ago . He is the only concealed weapon friend I have .
He has a gentle soul and is always worrying about those with less
 
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