Mass Deportation and Immigration Catch-All | Trump “Gold Card” path to citizenship for $5 million

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nycfan said:
I find myself having a clinical/academic reaction to this. It was a cornerstone of Trump’s campaign and a big part of what people voted for.

But a lot of the same people were appalled by the child separation policy in his original term, and many of the same folks were outraged but the deportation of one child - Elian Gonzalez - by force back in the day.

Sure, there are going to be people cheering this and ghoulishly enjoying seeing harsh images of deportations, mass incarcerations, etc.

But a lot of Trump supporters are already wishcasting how this will take care of itself via self-deportation before Trump takes office. They will just wake up to find the “illegals” have disappeared from their town without anyone having to suffer any unpleasantness.

We shall see.
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Regardless of where one stands on the Elian Gonzalez matter, that was not a comparable deportation. That boiled down to a moral question of whether a young kid should be returned to his father from whom he was essentially kidnapped.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Regardless of where one stands on the Elian Gonzalez matter, that was not a comparable deportation. That boiled down to a moral question of whether a young kid should be returned to his father from whom he was essentially kidnapped.
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Don’t disagree but this election has been a good indication that nuance is not a thing in American politics at the moment. How are people going to react to a flood of similar visuals?

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Will there be a new black market in selling firearms to Latino men-to protect their families?
 
The funding for Deportation likely can not poiltically increase the Budget deficit So I guess theywill redirect Infrastructure or CHIPs money not yet spent??
 
nycfan said:
And the economic impact of the initial push won’t be felt until later in the year as the agricultural and meat-packing industries, among others, scramble for workers.

But perhaps it will result in a rational work visa program by necessity. I mean, there is zero indication of that at the moment, but presumably the business demand will force some sort of resolution.
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Don’t worry about worker shortages. Many states have already relaxed child labor regulations. I’m sure more will follow.
 
Young people complaining about housing inventory and affordability will be shocked when housing construction plummets and home prices skyrocket.

For those young voters with dreams of home-ownership who took a chance on Trump, you'll live to regret it.
 
I will not cry when:
- maga general contractors fall on their faces
- maga Stephanie and Chad have to scrub their owns toilets and raise their own children
- maga restaurants fall into disrepair and health code violations
- maga farmers are left begging for another bailout

On and on.

ETA: this impending humanitarian disaster will get violent. If you’re an undocumented immigrant who’s had steady work for 20 years churning the engine of the south Texas or California valley ag industry, and framing houses on the off days/season, are you going to voluntarily deport to a country with no economic opportunity or take your chances?
 
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finesse said:
I expect that, in a spirit of bipartisanship, they are going to invoke the spirit of their fellow populist, Andy Jackson and his crowning achievement, the Trail of Tears.
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It fits, as I believe that Jackson is Trump's favorite president. And his presidency was also a shitshow - he claimed that the 1824 election was stolen from him in a "corrupt bargain" between John Quincy Adams & Henry Clay, and then got revenge by beating Adams in a landslide four years later. He also had a powerful appeal to uneducated backwoodsmen (who nearly trashed the White House at his inaugural), his war against Clay's Second National Bank was popular enough to help him win a second term, as he framed it as a struggle between Eastern elites and "the common man", and it was also an economic disaster, leading to a stock market crash and depression starting in 1837 (since it started after he left office he never got any blame for it, but instead it was his successor Martin Van Buren who paid the price).

And when the US Supreme Court (led by Chief Justice John Marshall) ruled in favor of the Cherokee keeping their lands in the Southeastern US, Jackson basically said that it was John Marshall's ruling so he could enforce it and protect the Cherokee, not him, even though as President his oath was to enforce the law, including judicial decisions, (he probably should have been impeached and removed from office, but of course nothing happened.) And his refusal to enforce the Supreme Court decision and support for removing the Cherokee and other Southeastern tribes to Oklahoma was highly popular with white Southern planters, who wanted the Cherokee and other tribe's lands for themselves.
 
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BlooVooDoo said:
With thunderous applause
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No doubt the Trumper half will, I think the other half will be rightly horrified. But of course that half doesn't have any power at any level of the federal government, so there's nothing they can do to stop it. And all of those Latinos and Arab-Americans and others who voted for him (or just sat out the election and didn't vote for Harris) are going to be shocked when the Trumpers come for them too. But I doubt they'll get any sympathy, even from Harris voters.
 
HeelingAg said:
I will not cry when:
- maga general contractors fall on their faces
- maga Stephanie and Chad have to scrub their owns toilets and raise their own children
- maga restaurants fall into disrepair and health code violations
- maga farmers are left begging for another bailout

On and on.
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I’m curious about how they’ll blame Ds for these totally foreseeable consequences of the policies they voted for.
 
EyeballKid said:
I’m curious about how they’ll blame Ds for these totally foreseeable consequences of the policies they voted for.
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It’s why I post what I post. I’m going to be wrong about a few things, but in the grand scheme the consequences are right in our collective faces, and it should be documented time after time after time, because when it all starts to unravel there’re no reasons to placate the intellectually unserious and completely predictable right-winger responses.
 
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EyeballKid said:
I’m curious about how they’ll blame Ds for these totally foreseeable consequences of the policies they voted for.
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Same way they blamed Biden for everything that happened in 2020 and didn’t blame/associate Trump with any of it.

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Why Did Trump Win? These Dems Have Discovered a Very Disturbing Answer

Are you sitting down? Turns out it proved very hard to persuade swing voters that Trump was a bad president.
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“… Undecided voters didn’t believe that some of the highest profile things that happened during Trump’s presidency—even if they saw these things negatively—were his fault.

This was the case on two of the biggest issues in the campaign—the 2020 economic crash and demise of reproductive rights, the operative told me. The result: The good pre-Covid economy during the Trump years largely defined undecided voters’ impressions of him, and no message about his first term could persuade them to the contrary. …”
 
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