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How many cartel members would have to die in Mexico before the flow of fentanyl would be significantly stanched? How many dead Mexican citizens would be acceptable to Mexico with ZERO blowback to America? How much would Americans be willing to spend on this "drug war"? How many American soldiers could be lost before political blowback? What's the endgame of such a military strikes and how would you know if they were successful? What if they were not successful? Is there an option B or C? If 50% of the cartel "jungle" is obliterated does that legitimately stop the flow, limit it by some percentage? Or just allow for the movement of the drug making process to some other part of Mexico. How many US soldiers would need to stay in Mexico to make sure the "operation" was completed? For how long? At what risk to American soldiers and Mexican citizens and long term regional stability? Could folks not just hop down to Guatemala and continue the operation? How does the Mexican government feel about trade agreements with the US as long as US soldiers are occupying Mexican soil? So many questions. Callatoroy, do you have any answers to these questions?
Why go after Al Qaida or isis? Way more of them than 10 drug cartels. Certainly killing 1 just breeds 10 more right? Quit thinking of fentanyl as a drug and start thinking of it in terms of terrorism because that is what it is? This isn’t cocaine or meth.
 
Most fentanyl is brought in by Americans and not the cartels themselves. Prohibition of drugs, including alcohol, has always turned into a fiasco that led to a huge growth in the numbers and wealth of the illicit providers. The best way to deal with the drug problems are education and rehabilitation. That doesn't mean "Just say no." That's just saying that you're stupid. It means a clear look at the dangers and how and what to avoid.

As a means to pay for this and to mitigate the single thing that makes drugs the most dangerous, we need to legalize and tax them. The biggest killer is not knowing the dosage or the purity of the drugs you get on the street. Being available in known qualities and quantities would probably cut overdoses by 90% or more. And no one would be getting addicted because they got something they didn't want.
Right. That’s worked so well in liberal cities where drugs are basically legalized. Portland is the model we want to follow right.


Again, you are thinking of fentanyl in the wrong terms. Many don’t even know they are taking it. I’ve seen how the left deals with the fentanyl crisis. 70,000 a year dead. Now you are about to see how the right deals with it. Mexico can help and get our help in return or they can remain cowards and get the fuck out of the way. In either case trump is going to act.
 
Right. That’s worked so well in liberal cities where drugs are basically legalized. Portland is the model we want to follow right.


Again, you are thinking of fentanyl in the wrong terms. Many don’t even know they are taking it. I’ve seen how the left deals with the fentanyl crisis. 70,000 a year dead. Now you are about to see how the right deals with it. Mexico can help and get our help in return or they can remain cowards and get the fuck out of the way. In either case trump is going to act.
12 steps brother 12 steps. I know you can do it!
 
Right. That’s worked so well in liberal cities where drugs are basically legalized. Portland is the model we want to follow right.


Again, you are thinking of fentanyl in the wrong terms. Many don’t even know they are taking it. I’ve seen how the left deals with the fentanyl crisis. 70,000 a year dead. Now you are about to see how the right deals with it. Mexico can help and get our help in return or they can remain cowards and get the fuck out of the way. In either case trump is going to act.
Oh fuck off. My wife is a psychiatrist who does medication assisted therapy for addicts. She knows all about people who take fentanyl laced pills. Almost nobody who dies does so unknowingly. They might not know which of the drugs they take has the lethal dose, but they all know it's coming eventually. They can't stop. It's a disease.

Blaming the opioid crisis on "the left" is so fucking dishonest and disrespectful to the victims as to make me sick. By FAR the steepest increase was during Trump's first term, but the problem goes way back to W's administration and even further back to Purdue Pharma. I first read about "hillbilly heroin" in the early 2000s. Opioid use is not the fault of the left or the right. It's a complex social phenomenon with a multiplicity of causes.

There are no cities other than Portland where drugs are "essentially legalized." And it's not true of Portland any more. As I've said before, a major difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals learn from their mistakes and conservatives try to deny reality to avoid admitting they made one.
 
Guessing you are unaware of people who die because they were unaware the drug they ingested was laced with fentanyl
You completely ignored the progression of the very conversation you were having.

The post you responded to said that education and legalization of most illicit drugs would be a better way to address fentanyl.

Your response was to take a shot at liberal cities and state that most people don't know they are taking fentanyl.

That was the point in the legalization comment. If the other illicit drugs that you seem to be "ok" with were legal and well regulated, practically nobody would be taking fentanyl and certainly almost nobody would be getting it unknowingly.
 
Guessing you are unaware of people who die because they were unaware the drug they ingested was laced with fentanyl
That’s my point. People dying from fentanyl are buying illegal drugs, whether it’s cocaine or Vicodin or whatever. If the fentanyl didn’t kill them and they got caught they would be arrested. If you want to stop fentanyl deaths make the drugs they are buying legallly available, and they could get the real thing from a pharmacy with quality control, honest dosages. Don’t bomb the cartels, just put them out of business by making their goods available legally in the US
 
Right. That’s worked so well in liberal cities where drugs are basically legalized. Portland is the model we want to follow right.


Again, you are thinking of fentanyl in the wrong terms. Many don’t even know they are taking it. I’ve seen how the left deals with the fentanyl crisis. 70,000 a year dead. Now you are about to see how the right deals with it. Mexico can help and get our help in return or they can remain cowards and get the fuck out of the way. In either case trump is going to act.
You're the one thinking in the wrong terms. One of the points in what I said is that legalization and access will prevent people from taking that, or anything else, without knowing what and how much of anything they got. Raiding Mexico will not even dent the fentanyl trade. American citizens will still be smuggling it in.
 
Democrats are learning and I’m glad. Embracing sanctuary cities will not allow them to ever win again. The tie has been cast. The polls support a strong border and legal immigration. The fact that Democrats (outside of Biden) have been better on the border than Republicans was taken off the table in recent elections because of a fanatical desire to try to avoid saying something insensitive. Democrats are better on the border and it’s been clear over and over. Biden was an exception but the party booted him. Who cares - let’s move on and forward and get back to winning!
 
You're the one thinking in the wrong terms. One of the points in what I said is that legalization and access will prevent people from taking that, or anything else, without knowing what and how much of anything they got. Raiding Mexico will not even dent the fentanyl trade. American citizens will still be smuggling it in.

Legalizing hard drugs is up there with abolishing the police as far as stupid ideas the far left comes up with. Get real, people who advocate this have no idea how unserious of a proposal this is, its so unrealistic and will be far more harmful than you realize. You know nothing about human psychology or why people do drugs in the first place if this is your idea of a solution.

It actually sickens me that people think its okay for the government to offer people ways to destroy their own lives (and anyone who loves them).
 
Legalizing hard drugs is up there with abolishing the police as far as stupid ideas the far left comes up with. Get real, people who advocate this have no idea how unserious of a proposal this is, its so unrealistic and will be far more harmful than you realize. You know nothing about human psychology or why people do drugs in the first place if this is your idea of a solution.

It actually sickens me that people think its okay for the government to offer people ways to destroy their own lives (and anyone who loves them).
You might want to see what the Cato Institute has to say about that. They are definitely not far left. What you are discussing , I guess is to continue a policy of prohibition that hasn't worked anywhere at any time for any substance ever while enriching the illegal suppliers. The Mafia and such gangs got rich off of Prohibition. The cartels got rich off prohibition. Add to it, the tainted supply and uncertain dosages greatly increase the dangers of the drugs. You don't have a leg to stand on.
 
Legalizing hard drugs is up there with abolishing the police as far as stupid ideas the far left comes up with. Get real, people who advocate this have no idea how unserious of a proposal this is, its so unrealistic and will be far more harmful than you realize. You know nothing about human psychology or why people do drugs in the first place if this is your idea of a solution.

It actually sickens me that people think its okay for the government to offer people ways to destroy their own lives (and anyone who loves them).
You should really read up on things before you make an ass of yourself.

Legalization + funding for social supports = fewer overdose deaths, fewer ER visits, fewer police arrests/decreased jail populations, decreased violence, etc.

Americans get hung up on the “funding for social supports” part of the equation, because the righties have turned it into a morality issue, claiming that it’d be tantamount to using tax dollars to promote drug use.
 

Trump Plans to Use Military Sites Across the Country to Detain Undocumented Immigrants​

The move would be a drastic escalation by the White House to militarize immigration enforcement.


“… President Trump’s team is developing a deportation hub at Fort Bliss, near El Paso, Texas, that could eventually hold up to 10,000 undocumented immigrants as they go through the process of being deported, according to three officials familiar with the plan.

Fort Bliss would serve as a model as the administration aims to develop more detention facilities on military sites across the country — from Utah to the area near Niagara Falls — to hold potentially thousands more people and make up for a shortfall of space at Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss details of a plan that is still in its early stages and has not yet been finalized.


The proposal would mark a major escalation in the militarization of immigration enforcement after Mr. Trump made clear when he came into office that he wanted to rely even more on the Pentagon to curtail immigration.

For Trump officials, the plan helps address a shortage of space for holding the vast number of people they hope to arrest and deport. But it also raises serious questions about the possibility of redirecting military resources and training schedules. Military officials say the impact would depend on the scale of arrests and how long detainees remained in custody. And advocates for immigrants point to a history of poor conditions for immigrants held in military facilities. …”
 
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