Mass Shooting & Gun Violence | 3 dead, 8 injured Southport NC

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I still recall that after the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, instead of admitting the desperate need for some kind of gun control, the GOP actually argued that maybe schools across the country just needed fewer exit and entrance doors so would-be shooters wouldn't be able to enter schools so easily. Of course that would also mean eliminating fire exits in the event of a school fire, but hey, parents have got to make a choice - do they want their child shot by a nut with an AR-15 or dying in a fire? You can't have everything you want!
 
Don't totally discount the physical environment. There has been a strong correlation internationally with a decline in violence 20 years after the use of leaded gas generally ended regardless of where or when. Since exposure to lead can lead to mental retardation , poor impulse control and violent behavior, that's suggestive. Since lead doesn't degrade in the environment, it still lingers in peeling and cracking lead paint, lead pipes and lead soldered pipes and places where lots of particulate from car exhausts settle like slow moving intercity traffic in the 50s. These are now brought to you by poor neighborhoods everywhere and feature three or four generations whose parenting and social skill were polished by this enhancement.
 
EyeballKid said:
So those on the right will now focus all blame on the cops for their inaction, rather than admitting that cops are caught in a precarious position that could be alleviated by more stringent gun laws.
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I don't know what can be reasonably expected from law enforcement when you're talking a 13 year old kid.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I can tell you that my wife used a gun to defend herself one night when I was at work. Statistics around DGU overall are all over the board depending on your source. That’s why I advocate for people being able to decide whether or not to own a gun based on their unique situation.
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99.99% of people don’t need a gun to defend themselves. Sounds like you have an irrational fear of violence.
 
ChileG said:
99.99% of people don’t need a gun to defend themselves. Sounds like you have an irrational fear of violence.
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I don't have a fear of anything. If you use your seatbelt when you are in your car, do you have an irrational fear of car accidents? A gun when used correctly is simply a tool, like a seatbelt, an airbag, or a smoke detector. I have all of the above and rarely think about them. But I have also needed all of the above and have been thankful for each.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I don't have a fear of anything. If you use your seatbelt when you are in your car, do you have an irrational fear of car accidents? A gun when used correctly is simply a tool, like a seatbelt, an airbag, or a smoke detector. I have all of the above and rarely think about them. But I have also needed all of the above and have been thankful for each.
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Yes, you do. You think people need to own guns when 99.99% of people will never need one to defend themselves.
Your hyperbolic statements about people needing guns for defense is not helpful.
 
ChileG said:
Yes, you do. You think people need to own guns when 99.99% of people will never need one to defend themselves.
Your hyperbolic statements about people needing guns for defense is not helpful.
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I think some people need to own guns. Some people do not. Look at your own situation and make an informed decision. Do you have smoke alarms in your house? 99.99% of people will never need them. Do you have an irrational fear of fire?
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I can tell you that my wife used a gun to defend herself one night when I was at work. Statistics around DGU overall are all over the board depending on your source. That’s why I advocate for people being able to decide whether or not to own a gun based on their unique situation.
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Bo's wife shot somebody!
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I don't have a fear of anything. If you use your seatbelt when you are in your car, do you have an irrational fear of car accidents? A gun when used correctly is simply a tool, like a seatbelt, an airbag, or a smoke detector. I have all of the above and rarely think about them. But I have also needed all of the above and have been thankful for each.
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So, you and your wife both needed guns on separate occasions to defend your lives?
Are you gang members or something?
 
Calheel said:
I edited my post above. Basically, my opinion is that the problem is fundamentally not solvable under our current regime. But I think it is important to view the problem in the appropriate risk context.

And I think the Covid analogy is directly relevant. Because it is another example of a cost/benefit public safety issue that involves negative externalities. There is a legitimate debate about when the benefit of social isolation outweighed the cost. Likewise, there is a legitimate debate whether spending trillions of dollars hardening schools is the best use of public resources or whether active shooter drills provide a sufficient benefit to outweigh the harm caused to students' psyches.
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So which regime can solve the problem?

Until we can get both side talking and find some common ground, I don't see any regime solving the issue.

It's also sort of hard to follow the data when the government doesn't have a central database, thank you NRA, with all of this data.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I can tell you that my wife used a gun to defend herself one night when I was at work. Statistics around DGU overall are all over the board depending on your source. That’s why I advocate for people being able to decide whether or not to own a gun based on their unique situation.
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Statistically a person who has a gun in there home is more likely to have a accidental or self inflicted injury than they are to use the gun for protection.

It is my opinion that until the right stops with the defense and protection from government tyranny we will be hard pressed to find common ground. The same can be said for the gun elimination position on the left.

I believe the number one reason for owning a gun is personal enjoyment. Be it hunting, target shooting, competitions, etc. For many guns are fun. Those people should be open to national standards for acquiring, owning, an using a gun. Since they all claim to be responsible gun owners, these laws should not affect them and would result in a reduction in misuse of guns.
 
UNCatTech said:
Statistically a person who has a gun in there home is more likely to have a accidental or self inflicted injury than they are to use the gun for protection.

It is my opinion that until the right stops with the defense and protection from government tyranny we will be hard pressed to find common ground. The same can be said for the gun elimination position on the left.

I believe the number one reason for owning a gun is personal enjoyment. Be it hunting, target shooting, competitions, etc. For many guns are fun. Those people should be open to national standards for acquiring, owning, an using a gun. Since they all claim to be responsible gun owners, these laws should not affect them and would result in a reduction in misuse of guns.
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If your gun is kept properly stored, the risk of an accidental injury is zero. If you are suicidal, you shouldn't have access to a gun, or a car, or any sharp objects, or any rope, or any medications, or any bridges or tall buildings, etc. I'm all for punishing people who don't store their guns correctly and whose kids accidentally or intentionally get ahold of them and harm themselves or someone else.

If you want to get pro-2A people to budge on gun control, do something about the people that are already illegally carrying and using guns. When seconds count the police are minutes to hours away. People realized in 2020 during the pandemic and after the riots that the government can't protect everyone all the time. At some point responsibility falls upon the individual, and taking away an individual's right to defend themselves or their family is a non-starter for many people, myself included.
 
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