Mass Shooting & Gun Violence | LDS Church Attacked

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ChileG said:
Doesn’t address my point at all.
We could get rid of all the guns if we wanted. Gun deaths would decrease dramatically over time. It would take a while, and some people would get shot by criminals in the meantime.
And you should be fine with that because you already said you are fine with some people getting killed by guns.
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We could get rid of all illegal drugs if we wanted. Just outlaw them. Wait, we’ve tried that and it has done nothing.

My point is that we need to accept reality. The guns aren’t going anywhere. They are plentiful and they are protected by the constitution. No mainstream politician is seriously proposing a semi-auto ban or a five-round limit. Those are pie in the sky ideas. They are not reality. We need to accept reality and work towards solutions that are in line with reality.
 
ChileG said:
No, they are logical, but you just hand-wave them away with, “that will never happen…”
Which is 100% why I didn’t answer the question when asked me directly. What’s the point?
At the end of the day you keep insisting that what every other country does isn’t possible. With that mindset, of course you think any solution offered isn’t logical.
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They aren’t logical for reasons that we’ve already been over. Namely: they are unconstitutional and they also unfairly target law-abiding citizens while doing nothing to stop criminals. Those are two major issues that people keep ignoring. If you want to do something, work on enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Disarm criminals and gun homicides will plummet, no new legislation needed.
 
life is random, absurd and nothing more than a game of luck. those humans in that school were just unlucky. debate it til u are blue in the faces its not going to matter one bit.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
We could get rid of all illegal drugs if we wanted. Just outlaw them. Wait, we’ve tried that and it has done nothing.

My point is that we need to accept reality. The guns aren’t going anywhere. They are plentiful and they are protected by the constitution. No mainstream politician is seriously proposing a semi-auto ban or a five-round limit. Those are pie in the sky ideas. They are not reality. We need to accept reality and work towards solutions that are in line with reality.
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Drugs are also illegal in countries where there is very little to no gun violence.
 
Outlawing guns does nothing to stop criminals from having guns.
If someone believes that, why even have a discussion with them?
 
ChileG said:
Drugs are also illegal in countries where there is very little to no gun violence.
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Cool. That would be relevant for a discussion about gun control in, say, Lithuania. I think we are discussing the United States right now, though.
 
ChileG said:
Outlawing guns does nothing to stop criminals from having guns.
If someone believes that, why even have a discussion with them?
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Are you aware that many drugs have been outlawed for the last half-century? Are you aware that people still have next to zero difficulty obtaining those drugs after fifty years of enforcement?
 
ChileG said:
You already said you are fine with law-abiding citizens getting shot, remember?
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I didn't say I was fine with that. I said that is reality. What you are proposing is your own idealized reality, but it is not the one that we live in. We have to accept reality. We are under no obligation to accept delusions.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Are you aware that many drugs have been outlawed for the last half-century? Are you aware that people still have next to zero difficulty obtaining those drugs after fifty years of enforcement?
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Are we now talking about Lithuania?
 
ChileG said:
So, it is reality that some people (but far, far fewer) will get shot if guns are illegal.
Again, you want this reasoning to only go one way.
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Guns aren’t illegal. That’s the point. That isn’t reality. It is your fantasy.
 
You know...we talk a good deal about the long-term effects on the current college-age generation from having spent some very formative years enveloped by the pandemic.

I suspect that for a great many of them that the very real threat of being shot while attending school (for every actual shooting how many false alarm lockdowns have happened anyway) is at least as salient of a negative life-long impression.
 
Guys, the best solution is to enforce the current gun laws.
Also, we can’t change the law because laws don’t make a difference.
 
ChileG said:
Guys, the best solution is to enforce the current gun laws.
Also, we can’t change the law because laws don’t make a difference.
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Guys, so glad we got rid of drugs by outlawing them 50 years ago. That was easy! No one has overdosed and died since the 80s.
 
bet big money shooter was on at least one of the many toxic 'mental' health drugs that our society is prescribed by so-called mental health experts. we are a pill popping freak society that has zero coping skills and zero perspective about what life really is. flight or fight lmmfao people believe that garbage bc someone bought a degree and its hangin on a wall.
 
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