Mass Shooting & Gun Violence - Mountainview NC 12 shot, 1 dead

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I haven’t heard much about the 58-year-old man who was killed. I’m curious as to whether he was a guest at the party or someone involved in throwing the party, and if he was an intended target. It appears he most recently worked as an underwriter and was a former minor league baseball player.
 
lawtig02 said:
I still can't make sense of a random pay-for-play pool party being held in an upscale neighborhood in BFE Catawba County, but I'll throw in the towel on my graduation party theory at least.
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But should you? You're an attorney in (I presume) a big city or at least sizeable urban area. Why would you make sense of such things?
 
Icky Mettle said:
I haven’t heard much about the 58-year-old man who was killed. I’m curious as to whether he was a guest at the party or someone involved in throwing the party, and if he was an intended target. It appears he most recently worked as an underwriter and was a former minor league baseball player.
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Not sure if I got this from an official news source or unofficial, but he’s believed to have been part of the group behind the party.
 
lawtig02 said:
I still can't make sense of a random pay-for-play pool party being held in an upscale neighborhood in BFE Catawba County, but I'll throw in the towel on my graduation party theory at least.
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It’s not much different than when you were in high school and someone threw a house party when their parents went out of town, except now it’s typically young adults attending and the folks behind the party rent the house & make a profit for putting the party together.

Not my scene, but in a place like Catawba County where there’s not a lot to do, it’s something people do.
 
SnoopRob said:
It’s not much different than when you were in high school and someone threw a house party when their parents went out of town, except now it’s typically young adults attending and the folks behind the party rent the house & make a profit for putting the party together.

Not my scene, but in a place like Catawba County where there’s not a lot to do, it’s something people do.
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I bet stuff like that happens in places where there is a lot to do as well.
 
Icky Mettle said:
I bet stuff like that happens in places where there is a lot to do as well.
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Rent houses and have "unauthorized" house parties thrown by a group of folks just hustling?

I'd assume in larger cities where there are established clubs and such to go to, that folks would go there instead. But I'm well outside that part of my life so I could easily be mistaken.
 
SnoopRob said:
It’s not much different than when you were in high school and someone threw a house party when their parents went out of town, except now it’s typically young adults attending and the folks behind the party rent the house & make a profit for putting the party together.

Not my scene, but in a place like Catawba County where there’s not a lot to do, it’s something people do.
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Learn something new every day!
 
ZZLPHeels said:
I thought he looked like a hoodlum in the first picture, and it turns out he is one.
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His actions agree with your assessment, but I'm not sure how anyone can make that assessment based on looks.

I've had people incorrectly make assumptions about me due to looks.
 
This may be for a different thread but I was thinking about visible tattoos. One of my best friends in law school (many years ago now) had incredible sleeves, but he cut them off about 1 inch above his shirt sleeve line, for obvious reasons. Now, every one of the staff members I work with on a regular basis, and several of our outstanding associates, have tattoos that are visible every day. It's kind of amazing how much the business expectations have changed in a short amount of time. I don't have any myself but I love looking at them. They're the absolute #1 best conversation starter.
 
SnoopRob said:
Rent houses and have "unauthorized" house parties thrown by a group of folks just hustling?

I'd assume in larger cities where there are established clubs and such to go to, that folks would go there instead. But I'm well outside that part of my life so I could easily be mistaken.
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Having unauthorized house parties at Aorbnbs. If you’re under 21, you may not be able to get into the clubs and/or order alcoholic beverages. But even if you’re over 21, or have a good fake ID, most clubs don’t have things like swimming pools (like this house had), or bedrooms you can go off to and hook up in, or other amenities that houses might have and clubs don’t. And drinks at these house parties are probably going to be much cheaper or even free. Also probably a lot easier to bring in controlled substances and do things like openly smoke weed. Generally less rules and less no one enforcing any rules..

My next door neighbors rent out a room above their garage as an Airbnb. They used to rent out the basement level of their house as an Airbnb. There were a couple unauthorized parties (and that was a relatively small space). They had to make some changes to avoid that like requiring a minimum 2-day stay and raising the price.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Having unauthorized house parties at Aorbnbs. If you’re under 21, you may not be able to get into the clubs and/or order alcoholic beverages. But even if you’re over 21, or have a good fake ID, most clubs don’t have things like swimming pools (like this house had), or bedrooms you can go off to and hook up in, or other amenities that houses might have and clubs don’t. And drinks at these house parties are probably going to be much cheaper or even free. Also probably a lot easier to bring in controlled substances and do things like openly smoke weed. Generally less rules and less no one enforcing any rules..

My next door neighbors rent out a room above their garage as an Airbnb. They used to rent out the basement level of their house as an Airbnb. There were a couple unauthorized parties (and that was a relatively small space). They had to make some changes to avoid that like requiring a minimum 2-day stay and raising the price.
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I knew this happened in more exurban and rural areas, I didn't realize it was happening in more urban areas, as well.

Thanks for that info.
 
www.wral.com

NC mass shooting: Suspect out on bond, two others wanted for attempted murder

Five suspects are now connected to a June 1 mass shooting at a house party in Catawba County that left one man killed and 11 others injured.
www.wral.com www.wral.com

The 20 year old charged with murder is out on bond. Another suspect charged with “aiding and abetting a person under the age of 21 by allowing the possession of alcoholic beverages” is being held under no bond. In what universe does this make sense?
 
nrsair said:
www.wral.com

NC mass shooting: Suspect out on bond, two others wanted for attempted murder

Five suspects are now connected to a June 1 mass shooting at a house party in Catawba County that left one man killed and 11 others injured.
www.wral.com www.wral.com

The 20 year old charged with murder is out on bond. Another suspect charged with “aiding and abetting a person under the age of 21 by allowing the possession of alcoholic beverages” is being held under no bond. In what universe does this make sense?
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Out on bond after being out on bond for an attempted murder charge, different incident. Sheriff is not happy and vocal about it.
 
Was it heel79 asking about these types of dram shop laws?

Two additional suspects, Patrick Tolbert, 22, from Hickory, and Raekwon Craig, 21, of Taylorsville, were arrested and charged with three counts of aiding and abetting a person under the age of 21 by allowing the possession of alcoholic beverages.

I'm not sure if that's exactly a dram shop law, but it's a weirdly defined crime.
 
superrific said:
Was it heel79 asking about these types of dram shop laws?

Two additional suspects, Patrick Tolbert, 22, from Hickory, and Raekwon Craig, 21, of Taylorsville, were arrested and charged with three counts of aiding and abetting a person under the age of 21 by allowing the possession of alcoholic beverages.

I'm not sure if that's exactly a dram shop law, but it's a weirdly defined crime.
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I know I commented on that a little but I'm not an expert. I definitely would like to know how the alleged murderer was able to post a $200k bond, and also why it wasn't higher than that. And I know about 20 parents who have hosted parties in the last couple of years where they have known kids under 21 are drinking, so I have no idea why these guys were charged and those people I know were not, except that they're all rich Charlotteans.
 
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