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ZZLPHeels said:
Also, there weren't exactly music videos or cultural icons who glorified settling disputes with Glock switches in the 1940s. Culture has changed as well. It used to be semi-acceptable to fight and settle your differences that way and then be done with it. Now we have a bunch of wusses who have been conditioned to just spray and pray whenever they feel like an opposing group has wronged them.
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I'm sorry, are you telling me that there weren't cultural icons with guns in the 1949s and 1950s?

List of Western films 1950–1954 - Wikipedia List of Western films 1950–1954 - Wikipedia
 
Great, this thread has again turned into a gun control discussion with ZZLPHeels where he learns nothing despite being given great information but which sidetracks the actual purpose of the thread.

Would someone be kind enough to @ me when ZZLPHeels inevitably declares that he loves guns more than people and the thread returns back to the actual topic? Thanks.
 
SnoopRob said:
Great, this thread has again turned into a gun control discussion with ZZLPHeels where he learns nothing despite being given great information but which sidetracks the actual purpose of the thread.

Would someone be kind enough to @ me when ZZLPHeels inevitably declares that he loves guns more than people and the thread returns back to the actual topic? Thanks.
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You may not like what I have to say but I’m right here. You can propose all the pie in the sky gun bans you want, but they are not going to happen because they do not address the fundamental issues that I brought up. Get mad and stomp your feet if you wish, but that’s reality.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Why not just skip to step 3 with the language that I added? You can do that today with no change to any existing laws required. Boom, criminals are magically disarmed and no law-abiding citizens have their rights infringed upon. Easy, right?
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I should have been more concrete...

3 ) When I referred to illegal guns, I should have made it clear that ALL guns would be considered illegal after 1 ) and 2 )
 
donbosco said:
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Interesting graph. It's almost like the combination of the Depression and WW2/Korea put a damper on the whole "just kill people who annoy you" thing. Then "Law & Order" Dick Nixon came into office and we as a country descending into a "Dodge City" Hades that lasted until Bill Clinton was elected. Then our homicidal tendencies were temporarily sated, although at a needlessly high level.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
You may not like what I have to say but I’m right here. You can propose all the pie in the sky gun bans you want, but they are not going to happen because they do not address the fundamental issues that I brought up. Get mad and stomp your feet if you wish, but that’s reality.
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Defeatist
 
heelinhell said:
I should have been more concrete...

3 ) When I referred to illegal guns, I should have made it clear that ALL guns would be considered illegal after 1 ) and 2 )
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Right. I’m saying just do 3. Guns would remain legal. Illegal guns would be confiscated. Easy right?
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Right. I’m saying just do 3. Guns would remain legal. Illegal guns would be confiscated. Easy right?
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No No No , I'm saying make ALL ALL ALL guns illegal with the exception of those possessed by someone in a well ( with an emphasis on well ) regulated militia ie. those in military service and those serving in state and local law enforcement.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
You may not like what I have to say but I’m right here. You can propose all the pie in the sky gun bans you want, but they are not going to happen because they do not address the fundamental issues that I brought up. Get mad and stomp your feet if you wish, but that’s reality.
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No one is "stomping their feet" over the issues you bring up.

I mostly stand back in aggravation that we have to have this discussion with you again when you've shown zero inclination to actually attempt to understand the arguments and facts put in front of you in good faith and that you set impossible standards to accept greater regulation on guns when the experience of every other developed country on earth shows that greater gun control laws equals lower violent crime and lower loss of lives.

To draw an analogy, you're the equivalent to a person standing in the middle of the street shouting conspiracy theories. You act like folks get upset because you're "speaking the truth", when in reality it has nothing to do with what you're saying and simply that you're an annoying motherfucker blocking traffic.
 
heelinhell said:
No No No , I'm saying make ALL ALL ALL guns illegal with the exception of those possessed by someone in a well ( with an emphasis on well ) regulated militia ie. those in military service and those serving in state and local law enforcement.
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Right, I understand what you are saying. I’m providing you with an alternate idea that would save lives that we could do right now. The idea you are proposing is not possible so it doesn’t really warrant serious discussion.
 
SnoopRob said:
No one is "stomping their feet" over the issues you bring up.

I mostly stand back in aggravation that we have to have this discussion with you again when you've shown zero inclination to actually attempt to understand the arguments and facts put in front of you in good faith and that you set impossible standards to accept greater regulation on guns when the experience of every other developed country on earth shows that greater gun control laws equals lower violent crime and lower loss of lives.

To draw an analogy, you're the equivalent to a person standing in the middle of the street shouting conspiracy theories. You act like folks get upset because you're "speaking the truth", when in reality it has nothing to do with what you're saying and simply that you're an annoying motherfucker blocking traffic.
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I’m engaging with a poster who is literally suggesting a ban on all guns, and I’m the unrealistic one? Lmao. You are just in denial. There are no conspiracy theories here. Just reality, a reality that you either can’t or won’t accept.

To further your analogy, you are a person suggesting that we fix a drought in Africa by spraying a garden hose into the air in Toledo. I’m saying “yeah, that isn’t going to work, and here’s why.”
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Right, I understand what you are saying. I’m providing you with an alternate idea that would save lives that we could do right now. The idea you are proposing is not possible so it doesn’t really warrant serious discussion.
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With all due respect, I have not seen your ideas which would eliminate all deaths by guns in the next two years or 5 years or 10 years.

But I'm guessing you aren't really interested in finding ways to eliminate all gun deaths which would include those related to murders related domestic violence, killings of4yos finding legal guns in the home , suicide , and mass shooting murders in schools which also involve legal gun owners.
 
heelinhell said:
With all due respect, I have not seen your ideas which would eliminate all deaths by guns in the next two years or 5 years or 10 years.

But I'm guessing you aren't really interested in finding ways to eliminate all gun deaths which would include those related to murders related domestic violence, killings of4yos finding legal guns in the home , suicide , and mass shooting murders in schools which also involve legal gun owners.
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You can't eliminate all gun deaths. That's like eliminating all drownings, or eliminating all motor vehicle deaths, or eliminating all obesity. It simply isn't possible.
 
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