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There was a good guy with a gun who stopped the mass stabbing attack at Wal Mart a couple of days ago.
That’s legitimately good to hear, but I don’t think it changes my point, which is that the “good guy with a gun stopping the bad guy with a gun” is such a stupid right wing fantasy in support of not changing gun safety laws. Whomever stopped the mess stabbing attack with a gun deserves commendation, no doubt, but it’s a lot easier to stop a knife attack when the good guy has a gun and the bad guy does not, versus when the bad guy also has a gun.

I’m a gun owner and go to the range somewhat fairly regularly, and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I would be pretty useless in a situation in which I was in public with my gun and someone with another gun- let alone a high-powered rifle- started shooting.
 
That’s legitimately good to hear, but I don’t think it changes my point, which is that the “good guy with a gun stopping the bad guy with a gun” is such a stupid right wing fantasy in support of not changing gun safety laws. Whomever stopped the mess stabbing attack with a gun deserves commendation, no doubt, but it’s a lot easier to stop a knife attack when the good guy has a gun and the bad guy does not, versus when the bad guy also has a gun.

I’m a gun owner and go to the range somewhat fairly regularly, and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I would be pretty useless in a situation in which I was in public with my gun and someone with another gun- let alone a high-powered rifle- started shooting.
I don't think it is as much of a fantasy as it is simply an uncommon occurrence with regard to mass shootings. It does happen from time to time, but not as often as some would like to believe. I'm 100% for keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people, but that is easier said than done.
 
I don't think it is as much of a fantasy as it is simply an uncommon occurrence with regard to mass shootings. It does happen from time to time, but not as often as some would like to believe. I'm 100% for keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people, but that is easier said than done.
Also note that to my knowledge, the good guy almost never has an assault style rifle and the bad guy often does. The stabbing attack in Michigan was thwarted with a handgun. Almost nobody wants to limit possession or carry of handguns.
 
That’s legitimately good to hear, but I don’t think it changes my point, which is that the “good guy with a gun stopping the bad guy with a gun” is such a stupid right wing fantasy in support of not changing gun safety laws. Whomever stopped the mess stabbing attack with a gun deserves commendation, no doubt, but it’s a lot easier to stop a knife attack when the good guy has a gun and the bad guy does not, versus when the bad guy also has a gun.

I’m a gun owner and go to the range somewhat fairly regularly, and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I would be pretty useless in a situation in which I was in public with my gun and someone with another gun- let alone a high-powered rifle- started shooting.
There's almost always a "good" guy with a gun who eventually stops these events.

They're called police.

Considering their laws, I would be shocked if there were a good guy with a gun in New York City.
 
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Also note that to my knowledge, the good guy almost never has an assault style rifle and the bad guy often does. The stabbing attack in Michigan was thwarted with a handgun. Almost nobody wants to limit possession or carry of handguns.
I agree with your first two sentences but not with the third. Handgun bans have been proposed by mainstream members of the DNC. They state they want to ban “semi-autos” which would effectively ban 90% of handguns in production.
 
The ease with which we allow sadistic nutbags to get high-powered guns is so gross.

But, there are a lot of guns out there, so why try to fix it, right?
Unfortunately, we live in a gun culture and that's not changing any time soon (if ever).

I just learned the other day that 10 states have official state firearms. Now, you might think that's not something completely out of the ordinary because of the history of firearms in the founding of the country... and it was done at a time when it made some sense (no mass shootings.... every time you turn around). But nope, the first official state firearm came about in 2011 (Utah/Arizona) and the most recent was in 2023 (Missouri). And then you have 2nd Amendment sanctuary states/counties/cities. Might as well just get rid of the stars on the flag and replace them with firearm silhouettes.


In March 2011, Utah adopted the M1911 pistol as its state firearm. This gun was designed by Ogden, Utah native John Browning. The adoption was supported by Republican Utah State Representative Carl Wimmer, who said, "It does capture a portion of Utah's history" and "even bigger than that, it captures a portion of American history."<a href="List of U.S. state firearms - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> The adoption was opposed by Democratic Utah State Representative Brian King who said, "When we are talking about a state symbol we would do well to come up with one that is more unifying than divisive and this is a very divisive symbol for obvious reasons. This is just a poor choice for a state symbol".

In April 2011, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed a bill into law which designated the Colt Single Action Army Revolver as Arizona's state firearm.<a href="List of U.S. state firearms - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a>

In March 2012, Indiana adopted the Grouseland rifle as its state firearm. This rifle is kept at Grouseland, the home of President William Henry Harrison and was made between 1803 and 1812 by John Small, who later became the first sheriff in the state. "This rifle and its maker are both integral parts of Indiana history, and as such, the rifle is worthy of its designation as the Indiana State Rifle," said Senator John Waterman.<a href="List of U.S. state firearms - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>

In June 2013, Kentucky adopted the Kentucky long rifle as its state firearm.<a href="List of U.S. state firearms - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>

In June 2014, Pennsylvania adopted the Pennsylvania long rifle as its state firearm.<a href="List of U.S. state firearms - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a>

In July 2014, Alaska adopted the pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 rifle as its state firearm. The bill, sponsored by Senate President Charlie Huggins, refers to the gun as the "rifleman's rifle." The bill says the gun helped Alaskans "establish a firm foothold" in the wilderness between 1930 and 1963.<a href="List of U.S. state firearms - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a>

In May 2021, Texas Governor Greg Abbott signed a resolution declaring the Colt Walker to be the official Texas state firearm.<a href="List of U.S. state firearms - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a>

In July 2023, Missouri governor Mike Parson signed bill SB139, which designated the Hawken rifle as the official state rifle. <a href="List of U.S. state firearms - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a>
 
I agree with your first two sentences but not with the third. Handgun bans have been proposed by mainstream members of the DNC. They state they want to ban “semi-autos” which would effectively ban 90% of handguns in production.
Yes, but what would that mean for you? You would still buy guns. You could still shoot guns for purposes like hunting, target shooting, even self defense.

If it were me, I'd ban semi-auto with detachable mag. Semi-auto okay, detachable mag okay, but not both together. Probably need to put pump in there as well, and put in some capacity limits like 3 for long guns and 7 for pistols. That effectively stops mass shootings but let's legal gun owners still do almost everything they did before a ban.
 
Yes, but what would that mean for you? You would still buy guns. You could still shoot guns for purposes like hunting, target shooting, even self defense.

If it were me, I'd ban semi-auto with detachable mag. Semi-auto okay, detachable mag okay, but not both together. Probably need to put pump in there as well, and put in some capacity limits like 3 for long guns and 7 for pistols. That effectively stops mass shootings but let's legal gun owners still do almost everything they did before a ban.
It would mean the guns I currently own would be banned and would not impact criminals that already own these weapons unlawfully and use them in crimes every day. If I’m getting into a gunfight with an intruder, I don’t want him to have all the rounds he needs while I’m dead in the water after 7 shots. The police are much more highly trained in firearms than the general public, and they still are taught to magdump because 1) hitting a moving target in a gunfight is not easy and 2) people don’t typically go down immediately after the first round hits them.
 
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