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Simply pointing out your logical fallacy. It never strengthens an argument to point out that something does not solve 100% of the problems. It is logical fluff.

Gun control, like all policy decisions, needs to weigh projected benefits vs. projected burdens. As a society, we are very bad with both of those issues -- we tend to overvalue one side of the equation that favors our political lens and undervalue the other side of the equation that goes against our political lens.

But no matter how the policy decisions are weighed -- one thing we should not do is base our decisions on whether they will 100% solve the problem. That is a terrible way to make policy or argue for anything.
Agreed. I've never claimed that we should only pursue solutions that solve 100% of the problem, because no such solutions exist. Rather, my argument was that we have to accept the fact that these things will happen because there is no realistic way to stop all of them. That doesn't mean that we should be OK with that, and that doesn't mean to stop trying to address the issue. We just need to be realistic.
 



Is this true…

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“… A spokesperson for The Violence Project, which records data on mass shootings in the U.S. since 1966 with “four or more” people killed in public (here), told Reuters via email that “Nashville is the first case of a trans” perpetrator in their database and per their methodology. They sent Reuters a database of shootings with 190 entries.

The Gun Violence Archive, which began collecting data on gun violence in the U.S. in 2013 (here), (here), recorded more than 4,400 mass shootings in the last decade, Executive Director Mark Bryant told Reuters via email. Its definition of mass shooting is four or more people shot resulting in injury or death (excluding the perpetrator).

Of those, “the number of known suspects in mass shootings which are trans is under 10 for the last decade,” which translated to “1:880 [or 0.11%] of the 4,400 shootings” they recorded, he said.

Further, the U.S. Secret Service National Threat Assessment Center (NTAC), which studies all forms of targeted violence including mass casualty attacks, published a report with data from 2016 to 2020 (here).

The report examined 173 attacks in the U.S. that “that resulted in harm to three or more individuals in public locations,” Justine Whelan, press secretary for the U.S. Secret Service, told Reuters via email, and “three attackers (2%) were transgender, assigned female at birth, but were known to identify as male at the time of their attacks.”

Whelan said that consistent with previous analyses of mass attacks, “nearly all of the attackers,” or 96%, in the study were male, and the remaining five attackers were female….”

 
We aren't like the rest of the world. There are more guns than people here, and the 2nd amendment means that the genie is not going back in the bottle. So what's the solution? These things have been happening for years. Unfortunately I believe that given our country's history and our legal landscape there is not much more than can be done. I'm all for red flag laws, but people have to report suspicious behavior and law enforcement and the judicial system have to be able to act on those reports. How many times did PD visit the Parkland shooter's home prior to the shooting? Wasn't it dozens, and still nothing was done?


As far as I can tell there is very little restraining law enforcement at this time in our history and the judicial system is, rather than bounded by the law, an executive order rubberstamp. Clearly things could be done differently by both those actors. After all, The Constitution is currently a pick-and-choose proposition by the regime and its party.
 
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“… A spokesperson for The Violence Project, which records data on mass shootings in the U.S. since 1966 with “four or more” people killed in public (here), told Reuters via email that “Nashville is the first case of a trans” perpetrator in their database and per their methodology. They sent Reuters a database of shootings with 190 entries.

The Gun Violence Archive, which began collecting data on gun violence in the U.S. in 2013 (here), (here), recorded more than 4,400 mass shootings in the last decade, Executive Director Mark Bryant told Reuters via email. Its definition of mass shooting is four or more people shot resulting in injury or death (excluding the perpetrator).

Of those, “the number of known suspects in mass shootings which are trans is under 10 for the last decade,” which translated to “1:880 [or 0.11%] of the 4,400 shootings” they recorded, he said.

Further, the U.S. Secret Service National Threat Assessment Center (NTAC), which studies all forms of targeted violence including mass casualty attacks, published a report with data from 2016 to 2020 (here).

The report examined 173 attacks in the U.S. that “that resulted in harm to three or more individuals in public locations,” Justine Whelan, press secretary for the U.S. Secret Service, told Reuters via email, and “three attackers (2%) were transgender, assigned female at birth, but were known to identify as male at the time of their attacks.”

Whelan said that consistent with previous analyses of mass attacks, “nearly all of the attackers,” or 96%, in the study were male, and the remaining five attackers were female….”

I will say that within minutes of every mass shooting and even some recent hoaxes, there are people on social media insisting the shooter was trans (usually completely wrong about who the shooter was much less cis/trans identity).

Which doesn’t mean there aren’t trans people committing violent crimes. How proportionate that is depends on how you are keeping stats and identifying people.

Anyway:

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  • Despite being less than 2% of the U.S. adult population, transgender people are four times as likely to be victims of crime. GLAAD’s ALERT Deskhas tracked more than 2,100 anti-LGBTQ incidents from June 2022 – December 2024, including 750+ incidents specifically targeting transgender and nonbinary people.“
 
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“… A spokesperson for The Violence Project, which records data on mass shootings in the U.S. since 1966 with “four or more” people killed in public (here), told Reuters via email that “Nashville is the first case of a trans” perpetrator in their database and per their methodology. They sent Reuters a database of shootings with 190 entries.

The Gun Violence Archive, which began collecting data on gun violence in the U.S. in 2013 (here), (here), recorded more than 4,400 mass shootings in the last decade, Executive Director Mark Bryant told Reuters via email. Its definition of mass shooting is four or more people shot resulting in injury or death (excluding the perpetrator).

Of those, “the number of known suspects in mass shootings which are trans is under 10 for the last decade,” which translated to “1:880 [or 0.11%] of the 4,400 shootings” they recorded, he said.

Further, the U.S. Secret Service National Threat Assessment Center (NTAC), which studies all forms of targeted violence including mass casualty attacks, published a report with data from 2016 to 2020 (here).

The report examined 173 attacks in the U.S. that “that resulted in harm to three or more individuals in public locations,” Justine Whelan, press secretary for the U.S. Secret Service, told Reuters via email, and “three attackers (2%) were transgender, assigned female at birth, but were known to identify as male at the time of their attacks.”

Whelan said that consistent with previous analyses of mass attacks, “nearly all of the attackers,” or 96%, in the study were male, and the remaining five attackers were female….”

That data is flawed though because all mass shootings are not the same…
 
Law abiding citizens shouldn’t be punished? I guess the dead kids were all criminals if law abiding citizens aren’t being punished.
If you're going to engage ZZLPHeels about guns, just be ready for all the logical fallacies and nonsensical arguments that the Republican Party has been able to create on this topic.

I can sum it up, though, with... "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas."
 
If you're going to engage ZZLPHeels about guns, just be ready for all the logical fallacies and nonsensical arguments that the Republican Party has been able to create on this topic.

I can sum it up, though, with... "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas."
What do you suggest?

Interesting how no one has seriously answered this question.
 
Try harder, Zen. God called them home because he was so touched by their prayers. It was his will.

sigh.
It's a win-win for Christians. The children who survive were saved by the grace of God. The ones who die were "called home" by God.

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Both those images are already posted in this thread without the transgender pejorative— as are the shooter’s neo-Nazi and mass murderer scrawling and even “666 + 79419” — which seems to be a middle school joke using the e mark of the beast (666) to arrive at a middle school calculator joke, but who the hell knows.

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The fact that this popped up in your feed with all of these slurs says an enormous amount about you as a human being. And I'm using that term exceptionally loosely in your case.
This wasn't in my Twitter feed. I saw this posted on another political forum.

Sorry to disappoint you.
 
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