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There is a strong correlation between the number of guns and acts of mass murder in a country. When Australia reduced its guns, it reduced its incidence of mass murder.

Everything else is a distraction. Either interpret the 2A appropriately or get rid of it and impose mandatory buybacks. As a matter of freedom, I view my mobility as far more important than my right to unlicensed self-defense. If I have to get a drivers license to demonstrate I know how to operate a vehicle, i should have to do the same thing to operate a gun.
 

Mass Shooters Are Not Disproportionately Transgender​

Most mass shootings are carried out by cisgender men.​



"... The Gun Violence Archive, which tracks shootings in which four or more people (not including the shooter) are shot or killed estimated last year that fewer than 1 percent of the shootings it reviewed in the last decade were carried out by trans individuals. Mother Jones has its own database tracking shootings in which “three or more victims were killed in an indiscriminate public rampage.” As I wrote in 2023, very, very few of those were carried out by individuals who were not cisgender men.

One hundred and thirty four of the 141 mass shootings tracked by Mother Jones since 1982 were carried out by men with no known history of identifying as trans or nonbinary. Two were carried out by women believed to be cisgender. Two more were carried out by a man and a woman, also believed to be cisgender, working together.

... That doesn’t mean transgender people are never responsible for these acts. There are, unfortunately, many preventable deaths caused by gun violence in the US; trans people make up a very small proportion of the US population, and they make up a similarly small proportion of gun-violence perpetrators.

But to blame the unnerving prevalence of mass shootings in America on the existence of trans people here isn’t just a dangerously stigmatizing, politically motivated take. It’s also bad math."

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Again, the assailant's weapons were covered in references to other mass murderers, a threat to kill Trump, to neonazi and antisemitic ideas and general hatred. A lot of mass murderers claim the same influences and ideation and most of them are cisgender men. That does not mean that cisgender men is a mental illness. The embrace of radical hatred and the will to murder is a societal disease. It is no more logical to scapegoat young cisgender men, even though they ARE disproportionately represented as mass murderers (and also serial killers), than transgender people.

But too many on the right want to escape any introspection about this particular tragedy, which they usually do by leaning into "it's too soon to talk about it / don't politicize it / thoughts and prayers", here by focusing not on the killer's scrawled targets and sources of hatred, but instead on claiming the fact that there are a handful of transgender mass shooters among hundreds of mass shootings (even when you eliminate domestic and street violence to focus on a "public rampage") means all transgender people are mentally ill threats to society prone to become the next Buffalo Bill at any moment. Scapegoating as deflection, targeting a small minority and already among the most targeted and weakest among us as the cause of something that has happened 141 times since 1982, including twice perpetrated by a person who identified as transgender.
 
Killing one's own daughter - and then shooting her cat because according to him, no one was going to care for it after the daughter was gone - to "save" her from being made fun of was not on my proverbial bingo card.

Fucking horrific :(


What the ever living fuck is wrong with people.
 

Mass Shooters Are Not Disproportionately Transgender​

Most mass shootings are carried out by cisgender men.​



"... The Gun Violence Archive, which tracks shootings in which four or more people (not including the shooter) are shot or killed estimated last year that fewer than 1 percent of the shootings it reviewed in the last decade were carried out by trans individuals. Mother Jones has its own database tracking shootings in which “three or more victims were killed in an indiscriminate public rampage.” As I wrote in 2023, very, very few of those were carried out by individuals who were not cisgender men.

One hundred and thirty four of the 141 mass shootings tracked by Mother Jones since 1982 were carried out by men with no known history of identifying as trans or nonbinary. Two were carried out by women believed to be cisgender. Two more were carried out by a man and a woman, also believed to be cisgender, working together.

... That doesn’t mean transgender people are never responsible for these acts. There are, unfortunately, many preventable deaths caused by gun violence in the US; trans people make up a very small proportion of the US population, and they make up a similarly small proportion of gun-violence perpetrators.

But to blame the unnerving prevalence of mass shootings in America on the existence of trans people here isn’t just a dangerously stigmatizing, politically motivated take. It’s also bad math."

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Again, the assailant's weapons were covered in references to other mass murderers, a threat to kill Trump, to neonazi and antisemitic ideas and general hatred. A lot of mass murderers claim the same influences and ideation and most of them are cisgender men. That does not mean that cisgender men is a mental illness. The embrace of radical hatred and the will to murder is a societal disease. It is no more logical to scapegoat young cisgender men, even though they ARE disproportionately represented as mass murderers (and also serial killers), than transgender people.

But too many on the right want to escape any introspection about this particular tragedy, which they usually do by leaning into "it's too soon to talk about it / don't politicize it / thoughts and prayers", here by focusing not on the killer's scrawled targets and sources of hatred, but instead on claiming the fact that there are a handful of transgender mass shooters among hundreds of mass shootings (even when you eliminate domestic and street violence to focus on a "public rampage") means all transgender people are mentally ill threats to society prone to become the next Buffalo Bill at any moment. Scapegoating as deflection, targeting a small minority and already among the most targeted and weakest among us as the cause of something that has happened 141 times since 1982, including twice perpetrated by a person who identified as transgender.
Do people actually think it wouldn't be cis gendered men?
 
Let’s suppose for a moment that transgender persons are, in fact, mentally ill.

People on the spectrum are “mentally ill,” but conservatives and Christians do not demonize them.

People experiencing depression are “mentally ill,” but conservatives and Christians do not demonize them.

Alcoholics and drug addicts are “mentally ill,” but conservatives and Christians do not demonize them.

People with anxiety disorders are “mentally ill,” but conservatives and Christians do not demonize them.

There’s never an excuse to resort to violence, but when a small group of people is told they don’t count, they are invalid, and they are the target of 90% of the majority’s ire, is it a surprise when things don’t turn out well?
 
There’s never an excuse to resort to violence, but when a small group of people is told they don’t count, they are invalid, and they are the target of 90% of the majority’s ire, is it a surprise when things don’t turn out well?
yup
 
Let’s suppose for a moment that transgender persons are, in fact, mentally ill.

People on the spectrum are “mentally ill,” but conservatives and Christians do not demonize them.

People experiencing depression are “mentally ill,” but conservatives and Christians do not demonize them.

Alcoholics and drug addicts are “mentally ill,” but conservatives and Christians do not demonize them.

People with anxiety disorders are “mentally ill,” but conservatives and Christians do not demonize them.

There’s never an excuse to resort to violence, but when a small group of people is told they don’t count, they are invalid, and they are the target of 90% of the majority’s ire, is it a surprise when things don’t turn out well?
Conservatives & Christians demonize all of those groups & those within them.
 
Conservatives & Christians demonize all of those groups & those within them.
That may be true in some cases, but it’s not true across the board. A ton of evangelical churches host AA and NA meetings. Some of the best transition-to-independence programs in the country for Downs and developmentally delayed young people are at very conservative universities. The right has decided to attack trans people very differently than it treats other groups. And then scream like stuck pigs when the trans people they have demonized engage in acts of violence.
 
That may be true in some cases, but it’s not true across the board. A ton of evangelical churches host AA and NA meetings. Some of the best transition-to-independence programs in the country for Downs and developmentally delayed young people are at very conservative universities. The right has decided to attack trans people very differently than it treats other groups. And then scream like stuck pigs when the trans people they have demonized engage in acts of violence.
I agree that they’re going much harder at trans folks right now than the others, but they certainly demonize all the groups you mentioned originally.

I would say that there is a break between super-Christians and the rest of MAGA concerning the IDD community. The super-Christian portion of MAGA has a good deal of sympathy for that community that the rest of MAGA does not share.
 
From a CNN article...

At one point, Westman expressed surprise that family members didn’t expect the coming violence.

“I feel like my mom would have seen it coming due to my rocky past with violent threats,” the journal states. “The other day my stepmom… said she could feel a ‘dark energy’ around me… if only you know!”

In the journal, Westman mentions a plan to try to buy a rifle from an acquaintance, and also opines on how it “should be harder for people like me to carry out these attacks.”
 

Mass Shooters Are Not Disproportionately Transgender​

Most mass shootings are carried out by cisgender men.​



"... The Gun Violence Archive, which tracks shootings in which four or more people (not including the shooter) are shot or killed estimated last year that fewer than 1 percent of the shootings it reviewed in the last decade were carried out by trans individuals. Mother Jones has its own database tracking shootings in which “three or more victims were killed in an indiscriminate public rampage.” As I wrote in 2023, very, very few of those were carried out by individuals who were not cisgender men.

One hundred and thirty four of the 141 mass shootings tracked by Mother Jones since 1982 were carried out by men with no known history of identifying as trans or nonbinary. Two were carried out by women believed to be cisgender. Two more were carried out by a man and a woman, also believed to be cisgender, working together.

... That doesn’t mean transgender people are never responsible for these acts. There are, unfortunately, many preventable deaths caused by gun violence in the US; trans people make up a very small proportion of the US population, and they make up a similarly small proportion of gun-violence perpetrators.

But to blame the unnerving prevalence of mass shootings in America on the existence of trans people here isn’t just a dangerously stigmatizing, politically motivated take. It’s also bad math."

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Again, the assailant's weapons were covered in references to other mass murderers, a threat to kill Trump, to neonazi and antisemitic ideas and general hatred. A lot of mass murderers claim the same influences and ideation and most of them are cisgender men. That does not mean that cisgender men is a mental illness. The embrace of radical hatred and the will to murder is a societal disease. It is no more logical to scapegoat young cisgender men, even though they ARE disproportionately represented as mass murderers (and also serial killers), than transgender people.

But too many on the right want to escape any introspection about this particular tragedy, which they usually do by leaning into "it's too soon to talk about it / don't politicize it / thoughts and prayers", here by focusing not on the killer's scrawled targets and sources of hatred, but instead on claiming the fact that there are a handful of transgender mass shooters among hundreds of mass shootings (even when you eliminate domestic and street violence to focus on a "public rampage") means all transgender people are mentally ill threats to society prone to become the next Buffalo Bill at any moment. Scapegoating as deflection, targeting a small minority and already among the most targeted and weakest among us as the cause of something that has happened 141 times since 1982, including twice perpetrated by a person who identified as transgender.
I can’t believe this even needed to be said. But here we are.
 
Seriously what are we doing here this will give closeted folks like Zen a chubby but the rest of us know better. Just a sad state of affairs. Starting to understand Gertrude Stein and others exodus to Europe in the early 1900s but this is as much my country as the idiotic MAGAsheep crowd? Eff them and the ass they rode in on!
 


Just heard this on CNN tonight — Rupar is the source of a lot of political video clips I post on here and since I follow him closely for years I’ve seen posts about his kids and living in Minnesota pretty regularly. He said his kids were just starting at the school this school year …
 
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