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no matter where you go in america its a cross your fingers and hope luck is on your side situation. guns and hopeless people everywhere. congrats to the two parties.
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More gang violence. Not a mass shooting by most definitions. Just two kids shooting each other with two innocent people caught in the crossfire.
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theel4life
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More gun violence.
True. And I didn't mean to sound insensitive. My apologies if I did.
Sounds like more gang violence. Usually when there are multiple individuals involved and only minor injuries reported, it was a shootout or drive-by involving handguns. While there are numerous differing definitions of "mass shooting", most people don't think of gang shootouts when they hear the words "mass shooting." They think of something more along the lines of what the FBI considers a mass shooting, which is when an individual or individuals are actively killing random people in large numbers.
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Wait! Wait! 1 week ago: “ Trump declares victory in sanctuary city [Chicago] under ‘Operation Midway Blit’ ”. Dear Leader is going to be very upset.
1moretimeagain
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Concord Police Department identified 18-year-old Nasir Ahmad Bostic of Concord as one of the shooters. Bostic is also one of four gunshot wound victims who where transported to the hospital, and he remains in critical condition. Warrants for his arrest have been issued for assault with a deadly weapon inflicting serious injury with intent to kill and inciting a riot. The second (Unnamed) shooter is a juvenile. Charges for assault with a deadly weapon inflicting serious injury with intent to kill, two counts of discharging into an occupied property inflicting serious injury and inciting a riot. The juvenile is one of the four gunshot wound victims who was transported to the hospital and remains in critical condition. Police also identified and charged a third suspect, 17-year-old Keyvyonn Rayshaund Bostic of Concord. He is being charged as an adult, with accessory after the fact and inciting a riot. Keyvyonn Rayshaund Bostic was not injured and was apprehended shortly after the incident.Two 17-year-old gunshot wound victims were also transported to the hospital. One has been released and the second remains in critical condition.
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These kids and their guns is one of the saddest and most grotesque things I see these days both through my line of work and reported in the media. They think life is a video game and that you can just shoot at people without dire consequence. And what makes it even more ridiculous is that these kids like to brag about this stuff and don’t give any real thought to legal consequences of that. They actually discuss the shootings they are involved in on social media, and often record videos of themselves holding up guns prior to shootings, talking about what they are about to do, and post those on social media. And then they go in social media to brag about what they just did.
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1945 estimate - 45 million guns, 140 million Americans - 32%
2025 estimate - 30% to 34% of Americans personally own a gun
Roughly the same percentage of guns but a totally different America. As a gun owner I can still understand the concern in owning assault weapons but why not more focus on, and questions asked about our societal changes as opposed to a gun that will never kill anyone on its own without some major malfunction or what we all know the real problem to be, a human being picking it up and pulling the trigger? Why not more focus on that?
The reason we are having so many mass shootings is not because we have more guns. It's because we have so many more people willing to take those guns and shoot somebody with them.
This isn't your grandaddy's America anymore. What has changed about the American people and society in general in the last 80 years that has led us to this point? I guess it's easier to just point at the gun and say that's the problem.
2025 estimate - 30% to 34% of Americans personally own a gun
Roughly the same percentage of guns but a totally different America. As a gun owner I can still understand the concern in owning assault weapons but why not more focus on, and questions asked about our societal changes as opposed to a gun that will never kill anyone on its own without some major malfunction or what we all know the real problem to be, a human being picking it up and pulling the trigger? Why not more focus on that?
The reason we are having so many mass shootings is not because we have more guns. It's because we have so many more people willing to take those guns and shoot somebody with them.
This isn't your grandaddy's America anymore. What has changed about the American people and society in general in the last 80 years that has led us to this point? I guess it's easier to just point at the gun and say that's the problem.
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It is undeniably easier. Is that wrong? Would the easier solution be wrong?
1moretimeagain
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US homicide rate was higher in 1945 than in 2024.
theel4life
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You also forgot to mention the type of guns we have today.
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Now do handguns.
Also, there weren't exactly music videos or cultural icons who glorified settling disputes with Glock switches in the 1940s. Culture has changed as well. It used to be semi-acceptable to fight and settle your differences that way and then be done with it. Now we have a bunch of wusses who have been conditioned to just spray and pray whenever they feel like an opposing group has wronged them.
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“Guns, primarily used for hunting and sport in the mid-20th century, became largely owned for protection against fellow civilians – a reflection of a modern fear, the tyranny of uncertainty from each other.
In a country in which tens of millions of people own guns, public safety becomes a personal responsibility, and so individuals often decide that it is in their best interest to protect themselves by buying a gun. This desire to be protected against those who have guns by getting a gun, multiplied across millions of people, has resulted in an arms race that makes everyone less safe. Historical events along with policy choices have shaped this explosion in gun ownership, leading to a society in which many people have grown to associate guns with a sense of personal security. As a result, we hear all the time about guns being used in shared spaces of learning, worship and leisure.
State intervention to restrict gun availability can make a significant difference
In 1970, when thinking about how personal and political conflicts unfold in a nation with so many guns, Hofstadter asked: ‘How far must things go?’ Now, 54 years later, we can answer his question. In 2021, the US witnessed its highest number of gun deaths ever and, in 2023, its deadliest year for mass shootings. Alarming new trends include the rise of ghost guns – homemade guns made from unserialised parts, making them difficult to trace and regulate – and the increasing prevalence of military-grade automatic weapons in civilian hands. Gun ownership is only increasing, with one in five US households having purchased a gun during the COVID-19pandemic, and new gun owners diversifying to include more women and people of colour. My friend Charles, a street outreach worker in Chicago who works with violence-involved youth, aptly summarised the situation: ‘The answer to more guns is more guns.’
This cycle of guns begetting more guns risks becoming the norm, unless there is concerted state action to reverse the trend. Research shows that state intervention to restrict gun availability can make a significant difference. By the 1990s, unprecedented crime rates prompted many US states to adopt gun restrictions that resulted in a substantial reduction in gun availability and saved tens of thousands of lives. Moreover, mass shootings in Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom motivated their governments to implement commonsense gun regulations, including bans on automatic weapons and requirements for licensing and registration. The success of these interventions offers hope that the current situation is not immutable. However, despite this progress, recent years have witnessed a reversal in both state and federal gun-control efforts. Some states have eased or repealed laws, and in 2022 the US Supreme Court limited states’ ability to restrict gun access. This has likely contributed to the recent surge in firearm deaths, particularly among Black Americans.
Examining US history helps provide insights into the present. The recent spike in gun sales and the easing of firearm restrictions across the US warrant our attention, carrying implications that transcend generations and borders. Guns acquired during the 1990s crime surge have remained in communities with consequences for current generations, and account for one-10th of the life-expectancy gap between white and Black males today. Porous state borders enable the movement of guns from lenient jurisdictions to regions with stricter laws and elevated crime rates.
Today, Americans stand at a critical juncture, facing the consequences of a nation armed against outsiders and one another alike. To tackle this issue, individuals must reject the premise that more guns equate to greater safety. Guns, lasting for more than a century, extend their impact beyond individual households, affecting the collective wellbeing of communities. The prioritisation of individual gun rights in the US over community safety has become a danger to innocents. Americans are locked in a self-perpetuating arms race that makes all of us only less safe.”
Why America fell for guns
In a country in which tens of millions of people own guns, public safety becomes a personal responsibility, and so individuals often decide that it is in their best interest to protect themselves by buying a gun. This desire to be protected against those who have guns by getting a gun, multiplied across millions of people, has resulted in an arms race that makes everyone less safe. Historical events along with policy choices have shaped this explosion in gun ownership, leading to a society in which many people have grown to associate guns with a sense of personal security. As a result, we hear all the time about guns being used in shared spaces of learning, worship and leisure.
State intervention to restrict gun availability can make a significant difference
In 1970, when thinking about how personal and political conflicts unfold in a nation with so many guns, Hofstadter asked: ‘How far must things go?’ Now, 54 years later, we can answer his question. In 2021, the US witnessed its highest number of gun deaths ever and, in 2023, its deadliest year for mass shootings. Alarming new trends include the rise of ghost guns – homemade guns made from unserialised parts, making them difficult to trace and regulate – and the increasing prevalence of military-grade automatic weapons in civilian hands. Gun ownership is only increasing, with one in five US households having purchased a gun during the COVID-19pandemic, and new gun owners diversifying to include more women and people of colour. My friend Charles, a street outreach worker in Chicago who works with violence-involved youth, aptly summarised the situation: ‘The answer to more guns is more guns.’
This cycle of guns begetting more guns risks becoming the norm, unless there is concerted state action to reverse the trend. Research shows that state intervention to restrict gun availability can make a significant difference. By the 1990s, unprecedented crime rates prompted many US states to adopt gun restrictions that resulted in a substantial reduction in gun availability and saved tens of thousands of lives. Moreover, mass shootings in Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom motivated their governments to implement commonsense gun regulations, including bans on automatic weapons and requirements for licensing and registration. The success of these interventions offers hope that the current situation is not immutable. However, despite this progress, recent years have witnessed a reversal in both state and federal gun-control efforts. Some states have eased or repealed laws, and in 2022 the US Supreme Court limited states’ ability to restrict gun access. This has likely contributed to the recent surge in firearm deaths, particularly among Black Americans.
Examining US history helps provide insights into the present. The recent spike in gun sales and the easing of firearm restrictions across the US warrant our attention, carrying implications that transcend generations and borders. Guns acquired during the 1990s crime surge have remained in communities with consequences for current generations, and account for one-10th of the life-expectancy gap between white and Black males today. Porous state borders enable the movement of guns from lenient jurisdictions to regions with stricter laws and elevated crime rates.
Today, Americans stand at a critical juncture, facing the consequences of a nation armed against outsiders and one another alike. To tackle this issue, individuals must reject the premise that more guns equate to greater safety. Guns, lasting for more than a century, extend their impact beyond individual households, affecting the collective wellbeing of communities. The prioritisation of individual gun rights in the US over community safety has become a danger to innocents. Americans are locked in a self-perpetuating arms race that makes all of us only less safe.”
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Police are at the forefront here. When departments switched from a .38 revolver to a 9mm pistol, shit got sideways real fast. Now instead of shot placement, they focus on fast reloads after the 17-round magazine has been emptied.
Police shifted because criminals shifted. The North Hollywood Shootout and other similar incidents caused the police to abandon their 6-shooters. No reason to limit police officers to 6 or 8 shots when the criminal has 17.
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Good question
What if we actually adhered to the Amendment II of the Constitution and limited the right to bear arms to those in a "well regulated militia" ?
And passed a supporting law that anyone not participating in a well regulated militia had no right to bear arms ?
It would be a loss for the hunters who like to kill deer, doves, and ducks but then it would be a gain for those innocent animals so it would balance out.
It would be a loss for those who own guns "for protection" to defend against others, but if no civilian had a gun there would be no need to have a gun but the gain would be no gun deaths by 4yos, domestic violence, suicide , gangs , mass shootings by disaffected white kids and so it would all balance out.
Seems like a win-win solution to me. We finally adhere to the intent of Amendment II in the Constitution and over time reduce the gun deaths in America to zero.