Meanwhile, in CHICAGO

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ZenMode said:
ICE is doing their job. People can disagree with who should/shouldn't be deported, but citizens shouldn't interfere.
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Terrorizing entire neighborhoods, kidnapping people off the street, and brutalizing American CITIZENS to fulfill a quota set forth by Stephen Miller is not just “Ice doing their job.”

Or, for this administration, maybe it is.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Terrorizing entire neighborhoods, kidnapping people off the street, and brutalizing American CITIZENS to fulfill a quota set forth by Stephen Miller is not just “Ice doing their job.”

Or, for this administration, maybe it is.
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Actually it is doing their job. Don't like quotas, but they are literally doing their job.
 
ChileG said:
Can you show me where arresting American citizens and zip-tying American children is part of their job description?
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I'm obviously not referring to that. I'm talking about arresting people here illegally.

In their rush to meet quotas, and likely because they are under-trained, mistakes are being made.
 
ZenMode said:
Any citizen that is wrongly arrested and detained should take legal action.
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And what legal action is that? It is very difficult to win such a claim, and the damages do not cover the attorneys' fees -- which is why people who are wrongly arrested and detained do not sue unless they suffer grave harm.

Why is it, do you think, that no American presidents before Trump would have tolerated this shit, let alone encourage it? Not even Nixon would bless the brutality. Is it that Trump is just a smarter and better president than all of our previous presidents combined?
 
ZenMode said:
I'm obviously not referring to that. I'm talking about arresting people here illegally.

In their rush to meet quotas, and likely because they are under-trained, mistakes are being made.
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I think you are massively downplaying these “mistakes.”

The mistakes (imo) are far worse than any positive effects coming from their job.
 
superrific said:
And what legal action is that? It is very difficult to win such a claim, and the damages do not cover the attorneys' fees -- which is why people who are wrongly arrested and detained do not sue unless they suffer grave harm.

Why is it, do you think, that no American presidents before Trump would have tolerated this shit, let alone encourage it? Not even Nixon would bless the brutality. Is it that Trump is just a smarter and better president than all of our previous presidents combined?
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ICE, under Trump, is taking a proactive, not reactive, approach.

Their taunting approach, i.e. posting moronic videos related to deportations on social media is among the reasons that this is so inflammatory.
 
ZenMode said:
Wrong about Jews and a fairly dumb comparison.
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It's a precise comparison. You are saying that citizens should not interfere with an executive agency doing its job under the law. The Gestapo was an executive agency doing its job under the law. Thus citizens should not interfere.

That you seek to differentiate them -- without any reason or justification -- is telling and indeed the point of the question. You're changing your position based on the identity of the victims.

I'll leave you with this thought as expressed by St. Augustine and recited by MLK Jr: "The answer is found in the fact that there are two types of laws: there are just laws, and there are unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "An unjust law is no law at all."

One does not have to endorse the principle that disobeying unjust laws is a moral duty to see that there is no virtue at all in standing idle in the face of blatant injustice.
 
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