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My friend complains that his kids are liberals. But he loves the 15 grand kids they have given him.
Meanwhile on Fox News … and other right wing media
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Mulberry Heel
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Given how many liberals I know who are the children of conservative (often very conservative) parents, I think liberals will still be around in large numbers for a long, long time. Hell, I'm one myself. Having conservative parents is hardly a guarantee that their children will be conservative - often the opposite is true.
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Yes they are, because women don't want the handmaid's tale to become reality and that is what the white christian nationalist want.
Why is the right so hung up on everyone having kids anyway? You don't want to help raise them, you think that no one should ever get any help or have any social safety nets.
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Home ownership and the housing market are broken. Trump adding in more negative variables by driving up material cost and running off labor hasn't helped a damn thing.
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12 years? None other than the progressive princess AOC. In January 2019, Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez stated: "The world is gonna end in 12 years if we don't address climate change." Apparently, her number of "12 years" came from an October 2018 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The report stated that by 2030, emissions would need to be cut by 45% to keep global warming to a maximum of 1.5 degrees C above pre-industrial levels.
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Well I had not read that. It is a bit hyperbolic. But, thank you for the response.
But I do believe that it is a concern. Do you disagree?
And most of the things we can do to work toward resolution create jobs, which is much needed.
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My point is that statement's like AOCs (whom lots of young liberals look up to) scare folks. "Why have kids when we're all going to be death in a few years due to climate change."
My view (Cliff Notes version):
It's a problem. Man made climate change is real.
It's been substantially overblown by those on the left.
All of the above energy approach - including Nuclear.
Technology will eventually solve this problem for us by the time it's a real issue.
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Too late, it's already a real issue.
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re: AOC's "12 years" statement, which of course ramrouser is taking out of context......
Ocasio-Cortez was referencing a major global report issued in October of 2018 by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the United Nation’s scientific authority on climate change.
The year 2030 came up prominently in that report, marking the first year that the planet is likely to warm by 1.5 degrees Celsius (the report provided a range of between 2030 and 2052). This temperature was set as an idealistic goal during the 2015 Paris Climate Accord. It is widely seen among climate scientists as a marker, beyond which long-term, irreversible change begins to occur, but does not signify the end of the world.
“Every extra bit of warming matters, especially since warming of 1.5°C or higher increases the risk associated with long-lasting or irreversible changes, such as the loss of some ecosystems,” according to Hans-Otto Pörtner, a Co-Chair of the IPCC.
In order to keep warming within the 1.5 degree range and limit the effects—which get considerably worse as warming approaches and passes 2 degrees—the report states that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) must decline by 45% by 2030 and be essentially zero by 2050. A popular narrative that resulted from the report was that we only have 12 years to avoid the dire consequences of climate change.
The report certainly does not say that the world will end in 12 years, but it does warn that if there has not been a major shift in human’s reliance on fossil fuels for energy, land, and industrial systems by that time, we may begin living in a world that is more hostile to our current way of life – with higher sea levels, hotter heat waves and more extreme disasters. A lot of people will die.
Ocasio-Cortez was referencing a major global report issued in October of 2018 by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the United Nation’s scientific authority on climate change.
The year 2030 came up prominently in that report, marking the first year that the planet is likely to warm by 1.5 degrees Celsius (the report provided a range of between 2030 and 2052). This temperature was set as an idealistic goal during the 2015 Paris Climate Accord. It is widely seen among climate scientists as a marker, beyond which long-term, irreversible change begins to occur, but does not signify the end of the world.
“Every extra bit of warming matters, especially since warming of 1.5°C or higher increases the risk associated with long-lasting or irreversible changes, such as the loss of some ecosystems,” according to Hans-Otto Pörtner, a Co-Chair of the IPCC.
In order to keep warming within the 1.5 degree range and limit the effects—which get considerably worse as warming approaches and passes 2 degrees—the report states that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) must decline by 45% by 2030 and be essentially zero by 2050. A popular narrative that resulted from the report was that we only have 12 years to avoid the dire consequences of climate change.
The report certainly does not say that the world will end in 12 years, but it does warn that if there has not been a major shift in human’s reliance on fossil fuels for energy, land, and industrial systems by that time, we may begin living in a world that is more hostile to our current way of life – with higher sea levels, hotter heat waves and more extreme disasters. A lot of people will die.
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It's helped make more MAGA voters.
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Thank you. I'm not sure i agree with the last statement, but we do simply need to move forward.
Unfortunately this administration has demonstrated that they want to move backwards.
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How? They are suffering equally in this area.
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To be fair, “12 years” buys a lot more time per BS event than “2 weeks.”
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Gen Z and young millennials who can't get good jobs and house move towards the party of grievance. Trump's raising of home owning costs and building prices will only accelerate that.
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Yes, and I'm sure that very few will look at the reasons behind the issues.
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"The world is gonna end in 12 years if we don't address climate change." That's how AOC (not me) described the above report to her millions of followers and fans - thereby unnecessarily scaring them about the world coming to an end. Are her fans and followers likely going to get their information from her or through some IPCC report?
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I don't think he was taking it out of context.
I think he did not know what AOC said and was relying on the right wing media disinformation talking points.
Or perhaps he did know what AOC said but did not understand what she said
Or perhaps he did know what AOC said and deliberately distorted it
My guess is he just repeated the right wing wing media disinformation distortion
If he had read what AOC actually said, he would have understood what AOC said
I do not think ram would knowingly spread disinformation
The Energy Secretary is on record saying that fusion will be commercially viable and producing electricity in 8-15 years.
He’s also on record saying we’ve subsidized wind and solar for 25+ years and isn’t that enough time and subsidies.
He’s also on record saying that we’ll learn to “de-carbon” the atmosphere and that’ll solve climate change.
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The current energy secretary?
How does this align with trumps position that it is a hoax, his undoing of previous efforts, like stopping wind turbines in mid construction, his stepping away from international agreements, etc?
If this administration helps to advance the solution, I will give them credit. I've not yet read much to support that position.
As for subsidies... how long are we going to subsidize the fossil fuel industry, farmers, etc.?
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the quote is part of a longer answer that she gave during a dialogue at a live event honoring MLK Jr. in early 2019.
it wasn't some sort of press release or position statement. context matters.
climate change is already causing dire circumstances all over the globe, she was right to issue a strong warning.