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hedge said:
I was only asking the question b/c you seemed to take such umbrage at criticisms (not by me) that "the progressives" cost Hillary the election in 2016. I was just wondering that since you seem to be receptive/interested/whatever in promoting a podcast that depicts the democratic party as one feckless point in an infernal triangle, what (if any) criticisms would you accept or level yourself at the progressive wing of that party. It also seems a little bit disingenuous, in light of the language of feckless and infernal, to then act like this is merely pointing out that the democratic party isn't perfect. Feckless and infernal are a far cry for "isn't perfect." Don't throw out feckless and infernal and then act all "oh shucks" like all you were saying was just "isn't perfect"...
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I get defensive about people attacking progressives in a way that I don’t think is accurate in the same way y’all do when I attack liberal Democrats in a way you don’t think is accurate.

Not much more too it than that. I think we’re all smart enough that I can criticize the Democratic Party here even if it is a week before the election.
 
Paine said:
prospect.org

You Are Entering the Infernal Triangle

Authoritarian Republicans, ineffectual Democrats, and a clueless media
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Don’t think anything he raises here is unreasonable.
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If those are the worst things that one can say about Dems, then the party is actually far better than I would have thought before reading that article.

Also, this is hilarious hypocrisy...

"And in the third corner, those agenda-setting elite political journalists, who frame the Democrats as one of the “sides” in a tragic folie à deux destroying a nation otherwise united and at peace with itself because both sides stubbornly … refuse to compromise."

...said by a man who frames the Democrats as one-third of the "triangle" that is failing our country.
 
Paine said:
prospect.org

You Are Entering the Infernal Triangle

Authoritarian Republicans, ineffectual Democrats, and a clueless media
prospect.org prospect.org

Don’t think anything he raises here is unreasonable.
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No. It all seem perfectly reasonable. I just don't get what part of the Dems problem can be immediately addressed. They don't have the power in any branch of the government except the executive to do anything but offer compromises, mostly for the reasons super listed earlier. It's a lot like blaming the victim, imo. Basically he admits that the biggest mistakes the Democrats made was expecting the press and Republicans to be principled and making good faith attempts to reach common ground.
 
SnoopRob said:
Yes, Joe Lieberman sucks. Yes, the 2000 vote count in Florida was a shitshow.

I have no clue what relevance that has to the Democratic Party in 2024 being part of the problem of the rise of fascism in the US.
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You don’t understand how the failure of the liberal party to address the material needs of its citizens while it’s in power leads to more and more people willing to accept far-right authoritarianism as an alternative over time?
 
Paine said:
You don’t understand how the failure of the liberal party to address the material needs of its citizens while it’s in power leads to more and more people willing to accept far-right authoritarianism as an alternative over time?
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How exactly have the Dems not addressed the material needs of Americans?
 
lightbluenc said:
When Dems have to work so hard just to clean up the mess left by Republicans, along with having an entire half of government who is unwilling to function much less willing to compromise to get anything done, then no I don’t understand it.
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(Totally worthwhile and not exhausting run-on sentence impending)

Yeah, we got some folks that think Dems just don’t do enough all the while they desperately and fervently protect the ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, expand food stamps, forgive billions (and Tried billions more) in student loans, passed massive infrastructure bills, support unions throughout the country, structured the greatest economic comeback since the Great Depression, etc. all while fending off a party filled with fucking arsonist Nazis, AND have to clean up said Nazis’ political vomit and shit every few years, all in a country that is distinctly right of center compared to relative peers. Not. Doing. Enough.
 
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lightbluenc said:
When Dems have to work so hard just to clean up the mess left by Republicans, along with having an entire half of government who is unwilling to function much less willing to compromise to get anything done, then no I don’t understand it.
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This is correct. When Trump brought his playpen to the White House, I left the GOP behind. Forever.
 
No surprise, but Fox News is completely ignoring all of the blatant racism displayed at the Trump NYC rally and is instead playing up the "A list" celebrities who came out to support Dear Leader (like, who, Dr. Phil?) and how it was a "bold move" by Dear Leader to win votes in a blue state. Just a total misrepresentation and denial of what that rally was actually about. But it's Fox, so it's not really a surprise.
 
Paine said:
You don’t understand how the failure of the liberal party to address the material needs of its citizens while it’s in power leads to more and more people willing to accept far-right authoritarianism as an alternative over time?
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Democrats had control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency for a grand total of 4 of the past 24 years.

What the fuck, dude.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
No surprise, but Fox News is completely ignoring all of the blatant racism displayed at the Trump NYC rally and is instead playing up the "A list" celebrities who came out to support Dear Leader (like, who, Dr. Phil?) and how it was a "bold move" by Dear Leader to win votes in a blue state. Just a total misrepresentation and denial of what that rally was actually about. But it's Fox, so it's not really a surprise.
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Agree completely. Fox's coverage had a real "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" aspect to it. Just ignore all the overtly racist and fascist stuff and focus on "Trump GOOD, Harris BAD!"
 
HeelingAg said:
(Totally worthwhile and exhausting run-on sentence impending)

Yeah, we got some folks that think Dems just don’t do enough all the while they desperately and fervently protect the ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, expand food stamps, forgive billions (and Tried billions more) in student loans, passed massive infrastructure bills, support unions throughout the country, structured the greatest economic comeback since the Great Depression, etc. all while fending off a party filled with fucking arsonist Nazis, AND have to clean up said Nazis’ political vomit and shit every few years, all in a country that is distinctly right of center compared to relative peers. Not. Doing. Enough.
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Summarizing in meme form...

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Paine said:
You don’t understand how the failure of the liberal party to address the material needs of its citizens while it’s in power leads to more and more people willing to accept far-right authoritarianism as an alternative over time?
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I can understand that as a theoretical argument, although you’d have to do a lot of work to convince me that it applies to the US in our time.

But that article has nothing to do with that idea, that article is nothing more than a recounting of Joe Lieberman’s crumminess with 95% of the focus on the 2000 election debacle. The same Joe Lieberman who ended his career outside the Democratic Party as an independent.

If you think that article makes any real point about the Democratic Party in 2024, I suspect it mostly serves to show that you have no real point.
 


A HUGE problem with trying to report this kind of thing — NYT is to staid to share the complete (or any) quotes in most cases, relying instead on vague descriptions.

“… opened with a standup comic who called Puerto Rico an “island of garbage” in a set that also included derogatory remarks about Latinos generally, African Americans, Palestinians and Jews.

… The comic, Tony Hinchcliffe, was the warm-up act ahead of several other speakers whose remarks were laced with vulgar insults, profanity and racist comments.

The crowd inside Madison Square Garden was predominantly white, with a significant number of Latinos. Many groaned at Mr. Hinchcliffe’s insult to Puerto Rico. Still, he told a tasteless, vulgar joke about the size of Hispanic families, mentioned watermelons as he called out a Black man in the audience and mocked Palestinians as rock-throwers and Jews as cheapskates. [MY Note - on video, it seemed many laughed and cheered]

… Mr. Trump’s rally featured a series of speakers whose remarks were far outside of longstanding political boundaries.

One, Sid Rosenberg, a conservative radio host, referred to Hillary Clinton with profanity and a sexist epithet. And Grant Cardone, a businessman who spoke early in the program, referred to Ms. Harris as if she were a prostitute. Later in the program, Tucker Carlson, the former Fox News host, mocked Ms. Harris’s racial identity and intelligence as he jeered the idea that she could win in November. …”
 
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