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superrific said:
Why would he do that? Tim Cook is a Republican.
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Why would Liz Cheney campaign for Kamala? Why would Kelly, Milley, Esper & Pence all denounce Trump, Yes there are the gutless Rubio’s of the party, but not all are like that. Not saying Cook is one way or the other, but you never know with this Republican Party.
 
Paine said:


Great Know Your Enemy episode w/ Rick Perlstein.

Rick has been writing a weekly column in The American Prospect called “The Infernal Triangle.” The three corners of this triangle are:

1. An increasingly authoritarian Republican Party

2. A dysfunctional legacy media intent on both sides “journalism”

3. A feckless Democratic Party
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I am SO tired of hearing all this shit about the Democratic Party. Maybe you don't realize it, but you're both-siding.

Have you ever seen any of those World's Strongest Man contests? The Hercules Hold contest in particular (I've linked it below). That's the Democrats. They are trying to hold together a country where the extremes (and now in the GOP's case, the mainstream right) are trying to break it apart. Don't talk to me about feckless. The idea that Rick Perlstein could do better is absurd.



Live look at Dems.
 
I didn't subscribe to WaPo but I did cancel my Amazon Prime. I know it's a drop in the ocean to Bezos but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
 
nycfan said:
I get it but to hit at the actual villain here, it seems like we would be cancelling Amazon Prime instead.
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Like @StrangePackage, I also no longer have a prime membership to nix. I canceled a couple years ago when "free next day shipping" quietly and somehow became "free next day shipping - eh, mostly" and when it was reported that they were going to increase the membership price and include ads in prime video unless you agreed to pay an extra three bucks a month. Fuck 'em.

Somewhat related - I also canceled Netflix last year because of their odd methodology of canceling shows. It was right before their last price increase, so I felt even better about it.
 
SnoopRob said:
The macroeconomy is doing fairly well, but a lot of rural communities aren't doing very well. A lot of working class folks aren't doing very well. And a lot of working class folks and folks in rural communities have essentially hit the same place that Germans in the 1930s hit.

Add in the folks who feel that the US is completely losing its way on social issues and you can start to see why so many Americans are turning to an authoritarian, fascist strongman.
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I grew up in a poor rural community in Oklahoma. Many are poor but they aren’t suffering. They have food and housing security.

I am not saying that to minimize their experiences but from my understanding they are nowhere near the struggles faced by Germans during the Great Depression and during the hyperinflation.
 
mpaer said:
All in all 5 humans essentially get regular deliveries on mine So its how I justify it
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It's more me being quirky. I order from them but I'm never in a rush and wait until I'm ordering enough to get free shipping , anyway. I just never needed it and thought it would encourage them to bother me more. Ordering books on Kindle did enough of that.
 
superrific said:
I am SO tired of hearing all this shit about the Democratic Party. Maybe you don't realize it, but you're both-siding.

Have you ever seen any of those World's Strongest Man contests? The Hercules Hold contest in particular (I've linked it below). That's the Democrats. They are trying to hold together a country where the extremes (and now in the GOP's case, the mainstream right) are trying to break it apart. Don't talk to me about feckless. The idea that Rick Perlstein could do better is absurd.



Live look at Dems.
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Did you listen to the episode or no?
 
SnoopRob said:
You'd be amazed how many folks in rural areas are using community food pantries or other similar services on a regular basis.

I wasn't clear enough in my reply, though, so let me be more clear. I'm not saying that our rural communities are as bad as 1930s Germany. I'm saying that many of these communities are now on a 40-plus-year decline of manufacturing jobs and that many of the folks in these communities feel very, very hopeless about the future. And it's the loss of hope that create the conditions that push folks to turn to authoritarianism as a solution.
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They need to move where the jobs are. People from central America are walking hundreds of miles to take jobs that some backwoods losers won’t move 50 miles for. Enough of this BS. If Trump wins I want them to get exactly what they deserve. Misery. Biblical level misery.
 
mpaer said:
All in all 5 humans essentially get regular deliveries on mine So its how I justify it
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Like you, 4 including myself. Pays for itself that way. Not concerned with delivery time and I think I've only watched prime video twiice.
 
superrific said:
No. I don't have time to listen. I read. Get me a transcript and I'll read it.
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Not sure that there is one. But I’m not going to rehash this argument with you again when you won’t even bother to listen to the podcast in question.

It’s not “both siding” to point out that the Democratic Party is not perfect, particularly when it comes to fending off a rising fascist movement w/o the press to help them. That’s literally what the podcast, Rick’s column, and his forthcoming book are about.
 
Paine said:
Not sure that there is one. But I’m not going to rehash this argument with you again when you won’t even bother to listen to the podcast in question.

It’s not “both siding” to point out that the Democratic Party is not perfect, particularly when it comes to fending off a rising fascist movement w/o the press to help them. That’s literally what the podcast, Rick’s column, and his forthcoming book are about.
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What is it you think the Dems should do differently?
 
BlooVooDoo said:
What is it you think the Dems should do differently?
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It’s not even about necessarily doing anything differently in this exact moment. It’s about what they haven’t done up to this point.

I’ve talked about my criticisms of the Democratic Party many times. Look through my post history or DM me.
 
Paine said:
Not sure that there is one. But I’m not going to rehash this argument with you again when you won’t even bother to listen to the podcast in question.

It’s not “both siding” to point out that the Democratic Party is not perfect, particularly when it comes to fending off a rising fascist movement w/o the press to help them. That’s literally what the podcast, Rick’s column, and his forthcoming book are about.
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If the Infernal Triangle consists of three points, one of which is the GOP and one of which is the Dems, then it's both-siding. It' not a question of "even bothering." It's a question of ROI on my time. If he is making a different point than the Dems are also to blame for the GOP's authoritarianism, then maybe he shouldn't write about an infernal triangle.

Of course the Democrats are not perfect. What kind of a standard is that?
 
superrific said:
If the Infernal Triangle consists of three points, one of which is the GOP and one of which is the Dems, then it's both-siding. It' not a question of "even bothering." It's a question of ROI on my time. If he is making a different point than the Dems are also to blame for the GOP's authoritarianism, then maybe he shouldn't write about an infernal triangle.

Of course the Democrats are not perfect. What kind of a standard is that?
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That’s not what he’s arguing. Listen to the podcast if you want to talk about it.
 
Paine said:
That’s not what he’s arguing. Listen to the podcast if you want to talk about it.
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I don't want to talk about it enough to listen to the podcast. How about this? I'm tired of people, not necessarily Rick Perlstein, shitting on the Dems as if they are somehow responsible for virulent racism and ugliness pouring out of GOP sewers. The Dems have a really fucking hard job and for the most part they do it well. All these people sitting around, talking about how inept the Dems are -- I mean, we get that on this board too. I get the frustration, but calling the Dems inept or dysfunctional or feckless or clueless bothers me.

Dems have been fighting an uphill battle against
a) a ridiculous EC and Senate system that has become broken to the point of comedy because of rank partisanship;
b) a radical extremist Supreme Court;
c) gerrymandering, that has pushed the GOP to ridiculous extremes;
d) a campaign finance system that is both necessary to participate in, and unseemly and distorting;
e) Fox News and other conservative propaganda;
and f) Netanyahu openly trying to help Trump by waging war.

That's a lot of fucking obstacles, and it's not close to exhaustive.
 
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