Media (Traditional and Social Media) News

  • Thread starter Thread starter nycfan
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies: 777
  • Views: 24K
  • Politics 
This is such a great read, and a castration of the lawyers doing Trump's bidding -- https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.447437/gov.uscourts.flmd.447437.5.0.pdf

As every member of the bar of every federal court knows (or is presumed to know), Rule 8(a), Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, requires that a complaint include “a short and plain statement of the claim showing that the pleader is entitled to relief.” Rule 8(e)(1) helpfully adds that “[e]ach averment of a pleading shall be simple, concise, and direct.” Some pleadings are necessarily longer than others. The difference likely depends on the number of parties and claims, the complexity of the governing facts, and the duration and scope of pertinent events. But both a shorter pleading and a longer pleading must comprise “simple, concise, and direct” allegations that offer a “short and plain statement of the claim.” Rule 8 governs every pleading in a federal court, regardless of the amount in controversy, the identity of the parties, the skill or reputation of the counsel, the urgency or importance (real or imagined) of the dispute, or any public interest at issue in the dispute.

In this action, a prominent American citizen (perhaps the most prominent American citizen) alleges defamation by a prominent American newspaper publisher (perhaps the most prominent American newspaper publisher) and by several other corporate and natural persons. Alleging only two simple counts of defamation, the complaint consumes eighty-five pages. Count I appears on page eighty, and Count II appears on page eighty-three. Pages one through seventy-nine, plus part of page eighty, present allegations common to both counts and to all defendants. Each count alleges a claim against each defendant and, apparently, each claim seeks the same remedy against each defendant.

Even under the most generous and lenient application of Rule 8, the complaint is decidedly improper and impermissible. The pleader initially alleges an electoral victory by President Trump “in historic fashion” — by “trouncing” the opponent — and alludes to “persistent election interference from the legacy media, led most notoriously by the New York Times.” The pleader alludes to “the halcyon days” of the newspaper but complains that the newspaper has become a “full throated mouthpiece of the Democrat party,” which allegedly resulted in the “deranged endorsement” of President Trump’s principal opponent in the most recent presidential election. The reader of the complaint must labor through allegations, such as “a new journalistic low for the hopelessly compromised and tarnished ‘Gray Lady.’” The reader must endure an allegation of “the desperate need to defame with a partisan spear rather than report with an authentic looking glass” and an allegation that “the false narrative about ‘The Apprentice’ was just the tip of Defendants’ melting iceberg of falsehoods.” Similarly, in one of many, often repetitive, and laudatory (toward President Trump) but superfluous allegations, the pleader states, “‘The Apprentice’ represented the cultural magnitude of President Trump’s singular brilliance, which captured the [Z]eitgeist of our time.”

The complaint continues with allegations in defense of President Trump’s father and the acquisition of the Trumps’ wealth; with a protracted list of the many properties owned, developed, or managed by The Trump Organization and a list of President Trump’s many books; with a long account of the history of “The Apprentice”; with an extensive list of President Trump’s “media appearances”; with a detailed account of other legal actions both by and against President Trump, including an account of the “Russia Collusion Hoax” and incidents of alleged “lawfare” against President Trump; and with much more, persistently alleged in abundant, florid, and enervating detail.

Even assuming that each allegation in the complaint is true (of course, that is for a jury to decide and is not pertinent here; this order suggests nothing about the truth of the allegations or the validity of the claims but addresses only the manner of the presentation of the allegations in the complaint); even assuming that at trial the plaintiff offers evidence supporting every allegation in the complaint and that the evidence is accepted by the jury as fact; and even assuming that after finally “melting” the defendants’ alleged “iceberg of falsehoods” the plaintiff prevails for each reason alleged in the complaint — even assuming all of that — a complaint remains an improper and impermissible place for the tedious and burdensome aggregation of prospective evidence, for the rehearsal of tendentious arguments, or for the protracted recitation and explanation of legal authority putatively supporting the pleader’s claim for relief. As every lawyer knows (or is presumed to know), a complaint is not a public forum for vituperation and invective — not a protected platform to rage against an adversary. A complaint is not a megaphone for public relations or a podium for a passionate oration at a political rally or the functional equivalent of the Hyde Park Speakers’ Corner.

A complaint is a mechanism to fairly, precisely, directly, soberly, and economically inform the defendants — in a professionally constrained manner consistent with the dignity of the adversarial process in an Article III court of the United States — of the nature and content of the claims. A complaint is a short, plain, direct statement of allegations of fact sufficient to create a facially plausible claim for relief and sufficient to permit the formulation of an informed response. Although lawyers receive a modicum of expressive latitude in pleading the claim of a client, the complaint in this action extends far beyond the outer bound of that latitude.

This complaint stands unmistakably and inexcusably athwart the requirements of Rule 8. This action will begin, will continue, and will end in accord with the rules of procedure and in a professional and dignified manner. The complaint is STRUCK with leave to amend within twenty-eight days. The amended complaint must not exceed forty pages, excluding only the caption, the signature, and any attachment.

ORDERED in Tampa, Florida, on September 19, 2025.
 
This is such a great read, and a castration of the lawyers doing Trump's bidding -- https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.447437/gov.uscourts.flmd.447437.5.0.pdf

As every member of the bar of every federal court knows (or is presumed to know), Rule 8(a), Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, requires that a complaint include “a short and plain statement of the claim showing that the pleader is entitled to relief.” Rule 8(e)(1) helpfully adds that “[e]ach averment of a pleading shall be simple, concise, and direct.” Some pleadings are necessarily longer than others. The difference likely depends on the number of parties and claims, the complexity of the governing facts, and the duration and scope of pertinent events. But both a shorter pleading and a longer pleading must comprise “simple, concise, and direct” allegations that offer a “short and plain statement of the claim.” Rule 8 governs every pleading in a federal court, regardless of the amount in controversy, the identity of the parties, the skill or reputation of the counsel, the urgency or importance (real or imagined) of the dispute, or any public interest at issue in the dispute.

In this action, a prominent American citizen (perhaps the most prominent American citizen) alleges defamation by a prominent American newspaper publisher (perhaps the most prominent American newspaper publisher) and by several other corporate and natural persons. Alleging only two simple counts of defamation, the complaint consumes eighty-five pages. Count I appears on page eighty, and Count II appears on page eighty-three. Pages one through seventy-nine, plus part of page eighty, present allegations common to both counts and to all defendants. Each count alleges a claim against each defendant and, apparently, each claim seeks the same remedy against each defendant.

Even under the most generous and lenient application of Rule 8, the complaint is decidedly improper and impermissible. The pleader initially alleges an electoral victory by President Trump “in historic fashion” — by “trouncing” the opponent — and alludes to “persistent election interference from the legacy media, led most notoriously by the New York Times.” The pleader alludes to “the halcyon days” of the newspaper but complains that the newspaper has become a “full throated mouthpiece of the Democrat party,” which allegedly resulted in the “deranged endorsement” of President Trump’s principal opponent in the most recent presidential election. The reader of the complaint must labor through allegations, such as “a new journalistic low for the hopelessly compromised and tarnished ‘Gray Lady.’” The reader must endure an allegation of “the desperate need to defame with a partisan spear rather than report with an authentic looking glass” and an allegation that “the false narrative about ‘The Apprentice’ was just the tip of Defendants’ melting iceberg of falsehoods.” Similarly, in one of many, often repetitive, and laudatory (toward President Trump) but superfluous allegations, the pleader states, “‘The Apprentice’ represented the cultural magnitude of President Trump’s singular brilliance, which captured the [Z]eitgeist of our time.”

The complaint continues with allegations in defense of President Trump’s father and the acquisition of the Trumps’ wealth; with a protracted list of the many properties owned, developed, or managed by The Trump Organization and a list of President Trump’s many books; with a long account of the history of “The Apprentice”; with an extensive list of President Trump’s “media appearances”; with a detailed account of other legal actions both by and against President Trump, including an account of the “Russia Collusion Hoax” and incidents of alleged “lawfare” against President Trump; and with much more, persistently alleged in abundant, florid, and enervating detail.

Even assuming that each allegation in the complaint is true (of course, that is for a jury to decide and is not pertinent here; this order suggests nothing about the truth of the allegations or the validity of the claims but addresses only the manner of the presentation of the allegations in the complaint); even assuming that at trial the plaintiff offers evidence supporting every allegation in the complaint and that the evidence is accepted by the jury as fact; and even assuming that after finally “melting” the defendants’ alleged “iceberg of falsehoods” the plaintiff prevails for each reason alleged in the complaint — even assuming all of that — a complaint remains an improper and impermissible place for the tedious and burdensome aggregation of prospective evidence, for the rehearsal of tendentious arguments, or for the protracted recitation and explanation of legal authority putatively supporting the pleader’s claim for relief. As every lawyer knows (or is presumed to know), a complaint is not a public forum for vituperation and invective — not a protected platform to rage against an adversary. A complaint is not a megaphone for public relations or a podium for a passionate oration at a political rally or the functional equivalent of the Hyde Park Speakers’ Corner.

A complaint is a mechanism to fairly, precisely, directly, soberly, and economically inform the defendants — in a professionally constrained manner consistent with the dignity of the adversarial process in an Article III court of the United States — of the nature and content of the claims. A complaint is a short, plain, direct statement of allegations of fact sufficient to create a facially plausible claim for relief and sufficient to permit the formulation of an informed response. Although lawyers receive a modicum of expressive latitude in pleading the claim of a client, the complaint in this action extends far beyond the outer bound of that latitude.

This complaint stands unmistakably and inexcusably athwart the requirements of Rule 8. This action will begin, will continue, and will end in accord with the rules of procedure and in a professional and dignified manner. The complaint is STRUCK with leave to amend within twenty-eight days. The amended complaint must not exceed forty pages, excluding only the caption, the signature, and any attachment.

ORDERED in Tampa, Florida, on September 19, 2025.
Why was this filed in the M.D. Fla? Wouldn’t Trump want Cannon on this case? I can’t imagine she would ever pen something like this.
 
Why was this filed in the M.D. Fla? Wouldn’t Trump want Cannon on this case? I can’t imagine she would ever pen something like this.
No idea. The Middle District is pretty good relatively speaking, so I was also surprised he filed it there. Unless I'm mistaken, Cannon is still the only district judge in the Fort Pierce Division of the Southern District, so it likely would have been assigned to her if they filed it there. I'm assuming they had a reason, but given the extraordinary incompetence of Trump's lawyers (many of whom are now leading the DOJ), that assumption may be misplaced.
 
Looks like nexstar is about to buy tegna. along with the work of sinclair, ABC is being turned into fox news.
I'd say within the next couple of years there isn't going to be a single non-right wing news network left on the air except for maybe MSNBC and NBC. CBS, ABC, and CNN have already been bought or are about to be by Trump-supporting or right-leaning corporate conglomerates. I hope everyone enjoys going to various Canadian or British news sources for non pro-MAGA news.
 
I'd say within the next couple of years there isn't going to be a single non-right wing news network left on the air except for maybe MSNBC and NBC. CBS, ABC, and CNN have already been bought or are about to be by Trump-supporting or right-leaning corporate conglomerates. I hope everyone enjoys going to various Canadian or British news sources for non pro-MAGA news.
Comcast is selling off MSNBC. There is a good chance it will just go under without a parent conglomerate to prop it up.
 
I'd say within the next couple of years there isn't going to be a single non-right wing news network left on the air except for maybe MSNBC and NBC. CBS, ABC, and CNN have already been bought or are about to be by Trump-supporting or right-leaning corporate conglomerates. I hope everyone enjoys going to various Canadian or British news sources for non pro-MAGA news.
Almost no one under 50 gets their news from any of those sources anyway. The rankings are tanking - especially in the demo. Plenty of unfiltered news options on the internet.

This reminds me a bit of the library book bans. As if kids know what a book is anymore.
 
Comcast is selling off MSNBC. There is a good chance it will just go under without a parent conglomerate to prop it up.
I've read that, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it goes under and there is literally no non-conservative major news media left. I'm well aware that we're looking right at the worst case scenario here.
 
I've read that, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it goes under and there is literally no non-conservative major news media left. I'm well aware that we're looking right at the worst case scenario here.
That is far, far from the worst case scenario. There is much more Trump could do to destroy the democracy above co-opting network TV. Having Google censor YouTube would be worse.
 
My greatest concern with all of this is represented by Ramrouser's response on the Kirk thread. We knew years ago Trump is an authoritarian. We knew he wants to use the power of the state to control everything and consolidate power in a (right wing) executive. We knew he would push the limits of the law and the constitution to the breaking point and beyond.

Our only hope was that Americans who identify as conservative, and especially those like Ramrouser who are in a position to (a) know, and (b) do something about it, would wake up to Trump's anti-conservatism and push back before it's too late. Alas, rather than defenses of free speech and constitutional norms, that group appears to be consolidating around "the markets decide." All without recognizing that Trump is actively, every day, using the power of the state to manipulate and control the "markets."

I'm not disappointed in Trump. I knew he would be this bad. I'm disappointed in the people who consider themselves conservatives but constantly find ways to defend and excuse Trump's obvious authoritarianism.
“Small government conservatives” have never been conservative or small government.
 
Comcast is selling off MSNBC. There is a good chance it will just go under without a parent conglomerate to prop it up.
I had no idea
I guess to get it approved they will have to fire Rachel
 
Posting this here instead of on the Newsom thread. The point being made is why is the media scrutinizing Gavin's mocking of Trump's social media style when reporters and media (legacy and social) don't hold Trump's feet to the fire similarly. "How have we allowed the normalization of his (Trump's) tweets through social posts go without similar scrutiny?"

 
Back
Top