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4thgenheel said:
yeah, SGA was traded in july coming off of a rookie season where he averaged @ 10ppg in 27mpg and finished 6th in ROY voting. all rookie 2nd team. decent shooting splits.

while he clearly had some promise it was not even remotely clear that he was going to be an all-star let alone on this type of career trajectory.

credit to sam presti for seeing the vision.
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Presti wanted the best assets he could pull from the Clippers. The Clippers wanted Kawhi. There was real risk Kawhi would go to the Lakers. Kawhi demanded Paul George. Presti demanded everything. The Clippers (and everyone else) thought Kawhi plus Paul George would yield multiple championships. No one anywhere expected SGA to be a league MVP. It's kind of a no brainer for the Clippers at that point, really.
 
Depends on whether we're calling a trade the worst in hindsight or how it was perceived at the time

At the time nobody was scoffing at SGA and all those picks for PG + Kawhi

I called the Rudy Gobert trade to MIN the worst of all time
 
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Pretty amazing, but TBH, this loses a lot of points by using what appears to be a photo from the Blue Devils in a losing effort in the Final Four for this mock-up.
 
nycfan said:


Pretty amazing, but TBH, this loses a lot of points by using what appears to be a photo from the Blue Devils in a losing effort in the Final Four for this mock-up.
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Is that where the upper photo is from?

The Brotherhood losing in the Final Four?

Credit for
making the Final Four. We didn’t.

LOL at using such a photo to attempt a claim at “we’re badasses!”
 
nycfan said:


Pretty amazing, but TBH, this loses a lot of points by using what appears to be a photo from the Blue Devils in a losing effort in the Final Four for this mock-up.
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That picture tells me that Charlotte is going to continue to suck. :cool:
 
Just a few takeaways from NBA FA, day one:

1. MPJ traded to Nets for Cam Johnson (wtf are you doing Brooklyn?)

2. LeBron is apparently batting his eyes at Dallas, behind the scenes, and doing the LeBron passive aggressive thing with LA.

3. Finney Smith and Capela sign with Houston. They’re all in.

4. Atlanta is doing some impressive work in FA. Picked up Porzingas and Alexander-Walker. They clearly see the absence of Haliburton and Tatum, along with the come apart of the Bucks and Sixers, as a window of opportunity. Brook Lopez left the Bucks for the Clips.

5. Deandre Ayton is expected to sign with the Lakers, after negotiating a buyout with the Blazers.

6. Dallas signed D’Angelo Russell to share ball handling duties with Flagg, until the return of Irving.

7. Knicks still don’t have a coach and really wanted Kidd, but Dallas said nope. Looks like Mike Brown is going to get another run.

All in all, an active day in the league for the bench and mid tier starter types, but nothing too eye opening beyond the MPJ trade.
 
Bucks stretch and waive Dame and sign Turner from Pacers.

Yabusele to the Knicks.
 
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Healing said:
Just a few takeaways from NBA FA, day one:

1. MPJ traded to Nets for Cam Johnson (wtf are you doing Brooklyn?)
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Cam is 29 and the Nets are years away from contention. It was the smart move.

The good thing here is that it sets Cam's market value as a star, which is what Porter is viewed as. Maybe not an all-star, but definitely a star. Cam's career is reminding me a fair amount of Rick Fox and I'd love to see Cam win a title like Rick did. Both would be third or fourth best players on the team, but valuable and vital contributors.
 
superrific said:
Cam is 29 and the Nets are years away from contention. It was the smart move.

The good thing here is that it sets Cam's market value as a star, which is what Porter is viewed as. Maybe not an all-star, but definitely a star. Cam's career is reminding me a fair amount of Rick Fox and I'd love to see Cam win a title like Rick did. Both would be third or fourth best players on the team, but valuable and vital contributors.
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Disagree from a Nets perspective. Porter is a max player for two more years, with rough injury history (good the last two years, but he likely will age poorly), and was the 4th or 5th best player on the Nuggets this playoffs. The Nets aren’t looking to be good, so it works to have MPj and Cam Thomas chunking low efficiency step backs all year, but as an asset play, I expect Porter to tank quickly.

MPJ’s body at 27 isn’t an NBA 27, likely closer to 35 than 25.
 
Healing said:
Disagree from a Nets perspective. Porter is a max player for two more years, with rough injury history (good the last two years, but he likely will age poorly), and was the 4th or 5th best player on the Nuggets this playoffs. The Nets aren’t looking to be good, so it works to have MPj and Cam Thomas chunking low efficiency step backs all year, but as an asset play, I expect Porter to tank quickly.

MPJ’s body at 27 isn’t an NBA 27, likely closer to 35 than 25.
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I bet they flip Porter at the deadline or maybe next summer.

I mean, I thought the issue the poster raised was the trading of Cam. Cam, interestingly enough, has been wildly successful in the NBA but nobody has really given him credit. Remember when he was picked lottery and all the analysts were like, "WTF are the Suns doing? Cam Johnson is a late first round pick at best." And all he's done is become one of the best shooters in the league, and he's still been seen as a role player. Well now hopefully he will get his due. In any event, the Nets needed to get value from him because he's not on their timeline.
 
Healing said:
Disagree from a Nets perspective. Porter is a max player for two more years, with rough injury history (good the last two years, but he likely will age poorly), and was the 4th or 5th best player on the Nuggets this playoffs. The Nets aren’t looking to be good, so it works to have MPj and Cam Thomas chunking low efficiency step backs all year, but as an asset play, I expect Porter to tank quickly.

MPJ’s body at 27 isn’t an NBA 27, likely closer to 35 than 25.
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Cam is three years older than MPJ and probably has just as much injury risk. Porter has played a lot more games than him the last three years.
 
@superrific ,Yeah, my argument isn’t against trading Cam, it’s more I think they didn’t get good asset value in Porter. Trade deadline and next offseason will likely be the determination points - I have zero faith in Sean Marks, so that colors my opinion.
 
Healing said:
@superrific ,Yeah, my argument isn’t against trading Cam, it’s more I think they didn’t get good asset value in Porter. Trade deadline and next offseason will likely be the determination points - I have zero faith in Sean Marks, so that colors my opinion.
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But the Nets aren't trying to contend next year either, so Porter's salary basically means nothing. If anything, it will help them becomes it comes off the books in two years when they might be ready to make a splash with a powerful front court of rebounding machine Day'ron Sharpe and 3 and D stud Drake Powell.

They have one player under contract for 27-28, some dude named Claxton who is inexplicably making $25M this year but is on a declining contract. They don't have anyone they need to extend, though they might extend Cam Thomas. The salary for MPJ doesn't matter.

I have no opinion on Sean Marks. If he's terrible, then this trade won't make much difference anyway.
 
The 26 draft is I think widely viewed as very good at the top with several potential future All NBA talents - so we may see extra tanking... perhaps good for the Nets - also making the unprotected Pelicans trade very difficult to justify.
 
How about this for a sliding doors timeline... The Suns don't include Cam in the trade for KD (they overpaid). They instead trade him later for a much needed center... that center is Gafford or Lively from Dallas. Cam in Dallas makes them believe they are closer to a title and they don't trade Luka. Without Luka Lebron leaves LAL this summer returning to Cleveland and the empty East.
 
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