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Any movement on this case? What's the status?
NC Supreme Court race - Riggs ahead +734 | Appeals Court sides with Griffin
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Mulberry Heel
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Maybe the NC GOP's strategy is to just drag this out until the next election, so nobody fills the seat and they have a 5-1 advantage on the State Supreme Court. I'm kidding...sort of.
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Justice Riggs still sits on the State Supreme Court until a winner is declared, although she has recused herself from matters related to her opponent's attempt to steal her seat. This Griffin asshole needs to give it up and stop sullying the good name of his alma mater.
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NC Panel Weighs Judge's Bid To Toss Votes In Top Court Race
NC Panel Weighs Judge's Bid To Toss Votes In Top Court Race - Law360
The North Carolina state appeals court grappled Friday with whether voters can be held accountable for the mistakes of election officials as they weighed the merits of Republican candidate Judge Jefferson Griffin's election protests in the still-undecided state Supreme Court race.
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"The North Carolina state appeals court grappled Friday with whether voters can be held accountable for the mistakes of election officials as they weighed the merits of Republican candidate Judge Jefferson Griffin's election protests in the still-undecided state Supreme Court race.
A three-judge Court of Appeals panel composed of two Republicans and one Democrat heard competing arguments from Judge Griffin, his Democratic opponent Justice Allison Riggs and the North Carolina State Board of Elections as to where the blame lay for allegedly incomplete voter registrations, missing photo IDs and individuals who have never lived in the Tar Heel State but were nonetheless allowed to vote there.
One of the panel's two Republican jurists, Judge Fred Gore, at one point expressed blunt concern over the state of North Carolina's voter registration database.
"I'm troubled that we're at 2025 and we still have voter identification errors sitting in our state registry," he said. "I'm troubled by that. And the fact that we haven't been able to get it right up until this point — I see why we have this challenge to a certain degree."
The comment marked a potential turning point for Judge Griffin, whose election protests failed to gain traction in the lower court and have sparked significant pushback, including a letter earlier this week from more than 200 judges and lawyers in the North Carolina legal community urging him to drop his case. ..."
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"..."The Supreme Court held that the illegal votes could not be counted," said Craig Schauer of Dowling PLLC. "That's because counting illegal votes disenfranchises everybody else who voted legally. James v. Bartlett is binding precedent that this court is obligated to follow."NC Panel Weighs Judge's Bid To Toss Votes In Top Court Race
NC Panel Weighs Judge's Bid To Toss Votes In Top Court Race - Law360
The North Carolina state appeals court grappled Friday with whether voters can be held accountable for the mistakes of election officials as they weighed the merits of Republican candidate Judge Jefferson Griffin's election protests in the still-undecided state Supreme Court race.
"The North Carolina state appeals court grappled Friday with whether voters can be held accountable for the mistakes of election officials as they weighed the merits of Republican candidate Judge Jefferson Griffin's election protests in the still-undecided state Supreme Court race.
A three-judge Court of Appeals panel composed of two Republicans and one Democrat heard competing arguments from Judge Griffin, his Democratic opponent Justice Allison Riggs and the North Carolina State Board of Elections as to where the blame lay for allegedly incomplete voter registrations, missing photo IDs and individuals who have never lived in the Tar Heel State but were nonetheless allowed to vote there.
One of the panel's two Republican jurists, Judge Fred Gore, at one point expressed blunt concern over the state of North Carolina's voter registration database.
"I'm troubled that we're at 2025 and we still have voter identification errors sitting in our state registry," he said. "I'm troubled by that. And the fact that we haven't been able to get it right up until this point — I see why we have this challenge to a certain degree."
The comment marked a potential turning point for Judge Griffin, whose election protests failed to gain traction in the lower court and have sparked significant pushback, including a letter earlier this week from more than 200 judges and lawyers in the North Carolina legal community urging him to drop his case. ..."
Attorneys representing the state elections board and Justice Riggs, however, said the facts of the James case aren't the same.
According to Nick Brod of the North Carolina Department of Justice, who argued on behalf of the state elections board, counting the out-of-precinct provisional ballots in the James case came as a "complete shock and surprise" given that it violated the elections board's own rules at the time. But here, he said, the election rules at the center of Judge Griffin's protests were known well in advance of the November election, and nobody sought to challenge them.
Brod argued the James case stands for the general rule that any challenge to a longstanding election rule should be brought before the election under the Purcell doctrine, which instructs courts not to change election rules too close to an election so as not to confuse voters.
The only exception to that rule is when something happens that can't be anticipated, as it did in the James case, he said. ..."
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North Carolina judge challenging outcome of race wore Confederate uniform in college photo
The photographs, which were obtained by The Associated Press, are from when Griffin was a student at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill from 1999-2003
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In high school Griffin also expressed an affinity for Robert E. Lee, the Confederate general who led southern forces during the Civil War. In a 1998 feature on high school "scholars of the week" in the Raleigh News & Observer newspaper, Griffin said Lee was his No. 1 choice to include on an "ideal guest list" for a party.
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Sounds like an enterprise value transaction, so the debt would remain.
Musk’s risk of a margin call was creating some pressure and this deal alleviates that. The debt still remains, but the collateral would now be some of his shares in xAI instead of X (a much better deal for the lenders).
The longer term question for xAI investors include whether and to what extent they were diluted (presumably they had to consent to the transaction, but if not ouch on the terms of investment)? How big a strain on xAI’s cash flow will the debt service be? A company like xAI is unlikely to be generating cash flow (and if X had been creating balance sheet cash flow for xAI by implementing Grok on the platform, that intercompany receivable is now gone), so does this deal constrain the purpose of xAI absent additional investments (probably!).
Definitely a good deal for Musk in the immediate term (welcome to being the richest person in the world) but the integration of X and xAI has longer term risks — but the keeping his holdings all private and deeply intertwined creates a tinderbox risk anyway. This is just increasing the risk he already takes of having all his businesses closely held and intertwined. And let’s face it, his immense wealth and political power make him financially bulletproof at this point, but if these risks ever catch up to his businesses, the business empire bonfire could be spectacular.
But at least he doesn’t have to be irked anymore by daily tracking of his X margin call risk, which was reportedly bugging the hell out of him.
Musk’s risk of a margin call was creating some pressure and this deal alleviates that. The debt still remains, but the collateral would now be some of his shares in xAI instead of X (a much better deal for the lenders).
The longer term question for xAI investors include whether and to what extent they were diluted (presumably they had to consent to the transaction, but if not ouch on the terms of investment)? How big a strain on xAI’s cash flow will the debt service be? A company like xAI is unlikely to be generating cash flow (and if X had been creating balance sheet cash flow for xAI by implementing Grok on the platform, that intercompany receivable is now gone), so does this deal constrain the purpose of xAI absent additional investments (probably!).
Definitely a good deal for Musk in the immediate term (welcome to being the richest person in the world) but the integration of X and xAI has longer term risks — but the keeping his holdings all private and deeply intertwined creates a tinderbox risk anyway. This is just increasing the risk he already takes of having all his businesses closely held and intertwined. And let’s face it, his immense wealth and political power make him financially bulletproof at this point, but if these risks ever catch up to his businesses, the business empire bonfire could be spectacular.
But at least he doesn’t have to be irked anymore by daily tracking of his X margin call risk, which was reportedly bugging the hell out of him.
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NC Court of Appeals sides with Griffin.
https://appellate.nccourts.org/opinions/?c=2&pdf=44509
https://appellate.nccourts.org/opinions/?c=2&pdf=44509
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The federal courts are going to have to get involved after all, it seems.
They should have never punted it back to the state. What did they really think was going to happen?
They should have never punted it back to the state. What did they really think was going to happen?
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It will need to go to the NC Supreme Court before it can go federal. The NC Supreme Court will side with Griffin. The “justices” making up the majority in that court are political hacks of the worst kind.
Unfortunately, I can think of 5-6 equally bad political hacks sitting in the right-wing majority of SCOTUS.
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Thankfully, I don’t think the case would go that far. It would most likely end in the 4th Circuit.
And hard to see Judge Myers overruling the NC Supreme Court. So then it would be up to the 4th circuit.
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I don't know anything about Myers. But once he conceded that there is a civil rights/racial disenfranchising aspect to this, he's sort of made it impossible to defer to what will surely be an NC Supreme Court completely ignoring that issue.
Anyway, the 4th Circuit has deep experience with discriminatory NC voting laws. I doubt there will be enough sympathizers.
I just read the majority court of appeal opinion. Haven’t even got to the dissent yet. But one thing I don’t understand from the majority is why there can be a selective protest of ballots.
Is Griffin challenging every voter that falls into one of the three categories or just voters in certain areas? Because if he is not challenging every voter, the argument seems a lot weaker.
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Assuming Griffin ends up winning in the end, what is the actual result? That all 60k ballots are thrown out for his election only? Or that all ballots are thrown out and every federal, state, and local race has to be retabulated? Do the local Boards of Election have the ability to see who each ineligible voter voted for?
Surely he's not expecting this to turn a 734 vote deficit into a 59,266 vote win, right?
Surely he's not expecting this to turn a 734 vote deficit into a 59,266 vote win, right?
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He is not challenging every voter in those categories as far as I know. He is challenging the votes that will push him over the top.
The majority opinion is full of lies and deflections. No surprise there.
The hilarious thing is that Myers chose not to address the federal constitutional issues because, he said, we normally trust state courts to faithfully interpret the constitution. The appeals court did not mention the federal constitution or federal law whatsoever. Why do these judges continue to give a presumption of good faith to people who have demonstrated over and over again they don't deserve it?
BTW (and Calheel, you know this but others might not), this travesty could never have happened if not for Shelby County.