NC Supreme Court race - Riggs ahead +734 | Griffin loses in Fed Court, Concedes

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rodoheel said:
I don't know exactly how it works but clearly they can still tie some information to the ballot - that's how you have the website that can tell you if you're on the challenge list from Griffin's campaign.
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Your envelope information is recorded. That is true in all states. But that is a separate issue from the ballot itself. In most states, as far as I am aware, the ballot is segregated from the envelope and there is no way for anyone to tie a particular ballot to a particular voter for privacy reasons.

I’d be surprised if there is some sort of numbering system that ties a specific ballot to a specific envelope. That would mean that election officials could figure out who someone voted for, which could open the door to extortion and other nefarious things.
 
These are sort of obvious questions but interesting 🤔 that Bob Orr is posting them publicly after they come up here. 😉



LOL. Just goofing. No indication at all that Orr posts or lurks here, he raises excellent points as are already being discussed on this thread because they are obvious and yet to date unaddressed.
 
Calheel said:
Your envelope information is recorded. That is true in all states. But that is a separate issue from the ballot itself. In most states, as far as I am aware, the ballot is segregated from the envelope and there is no way for anyone to tie a particular ballot to a particular voter for privacy reasons.

I’d be surprised if there is some sort of numbering system that ties a specific ballot to a specific envelope. That would mean that election officials could figure out who someone voted for, which could open the door to extortion and other nefarious things.
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I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you and I don't know exactly how it works. I'm just saying there is some way that the Griffin campaign has been able to challenge the votes of specific people. They may not know who they voted for - I'm pretty sure what they have done is challenge all of certain kinds of votes from counties that lean most Democratic. But they know whose votes are being challenged.
 
Haven't confirmed but saw a comment somewhere that early votes can be traced so they can toss your vote if you die before election day. Presumably for voters revealed to be felons as well.
 
rodoheel said:
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you and I don't know exactly how it works. I'm just saying there is some way that the Griffin campaign has been able to challenge the votes of specific people. They may not know who they voted for - I'm pretty sure what they have done is challenge all of certain kinds of votes from counties that lean most Democratic. But they know whose votes are being challenged.
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Right. They do appear to be focusing on likely democratic voters.

My question is why? To what end? If the voters are not tied to actual ballots, you can’t simply assume that the challenged votes went against you. There would need to be evidence of who those people actually voted for.

Which circles back to my original question. Is there a way for Griffin to reverse engineer who the disqualified voters actually voted for? If not, what is the remedy for his claim if he wins?
 
triangleblogblog said:
Haven't confirmed but saw a comment somewhere that early votes can be traced so they can toss your vote if you die before election day. Presumably for voters revealed to be felons as well.
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felons having voting rights in NC. they can vote as long as they aren't serving active time or on probation or parole.
 
triangleblogblog said:
Haven't confirmed but saw a comment somewhere that early votes can be traced so they can toss your vote if you die before election day. Presumably for voters revealed to be felons as well.
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Do you mean in person early voting or mail-in early voting?

Mail voting could theoretically wait until election day to open the envelope and verify it. In-person voting would presumably be locked in at the time of the vote. To my knowledge, the state doesn’t record who a particular voter actually votes for due to privacy reasons.
 
"...election workers write an identifying number on the ballots of voters who vote by mail or during the in-person early voting period. This is a special number assigned to each ballot and voter. This number allows the ballot to be retrieved and not counted if necessary due to a voter challenge, such as if the voter dies before Election Day or votes more than once. See Retrievable ballots (N.C.G.S. § 163-166.45).

The number can also be used to retrieve ballots in the event of a successful election protest, such as if several voters are given the wrong ballot style and the margin for a contest is less than that number of voters."

Fact: In NC, if an Election Worker Writes on Your Ballot, It Does Not Invalidate It

State Board responds to inaccurate information spreading on social media and elsewhere.
www.ncsbe.gov www.ncsbe.gov

 
superrific said:
Y'all have some really stupid Supreme Court justices down there. I'm trying to decide whether Berger or Newby is stupider, but I think Newby has the inside track. He actually put his name to this:

"On the night of the election, petitioner led his opponent by almost 10,000 votes. Over the course of the next several days, his lead slowly dwindled, and he now trails his opponent by 734 votes out of the 5,540,090 total votes cast. That is a highly unusual course of events. It is understandable that petitioner and many North Carolina voters are questioning how this could happen."

First, it is not highly unusual. It's common. In fact, in many states, it's expected. Any time there is both geographic variation in vote counting and political leaning (which NC has plenty of), this result is highly likely to happen in a close election -- many times on election night, multiple times.

The idea that it is hard to understand "how this could happen" is just one of the most ignorant and laughable things I've read from a court in a while. Oh, who am I kidding. It's standard Trump judge fare. But 10 years ago, it would have met that criteria.
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What’s funny is that Newby won his seat by just 401 votes out of approximately 5.4 million cast.
 
triangleblogblog said:
"...election workers write an identifying number on the ballots of voters who vote by mail or during the in-person early voting period. This is a special number assigned to each ballot and voter. This number allows the ballot to be retrieved and not counted if necessary due to a voter challenge, such as if the voter dies before Election Day or votes more than once. See Retrievable ballots (N.C.G.S. § 163-166.45).

The number can also be used to retrieve ballots in the event of a successful election protest, such as if several voters are given the wrong ballot style and the margin for a contest is less than that number of voters."

Fact: In NC, if an Election Worker Writes on Your Ballot, It Does Not Invalidate It

State Board responds to inaccurate information spreading on social media and elsewhere.
www.ncsbe.gov www.ncsbe.gov

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Interesting. So there is a system in place to track ballots with voters, but per the link, it only applies to in-person early voting.

To your knowledge, is there any similar system for belated challenges to mail in votes?
 
superrific said:
Y'all have some really stupid Supreme Court justices down there. I'm trying to decide whether Berger or Newby is stupider, but I think Newby has the inside track. He actually put his name to this:

"On the night of the election, petitioner led his opponent by almost 10,000 votes. Over the course of the next several days, his lead slowly dwindled, and he now trails his opponent by 734 votes out of the 5,540,090 total votes cast. That is a highly unusual course of events. It is understandable that petitioner and many North Carolina voters are questioning how this could happen."

First, it is not highly unusual. It's common. In fact, in many states, it's expected. Any time there is both geographic variation in vote counting and political leaning (which NC has plenty of), this result is highly likely to happen in a close election -- many times on election night, multiple times.

The idea that it is hard to understand "how this could happen" is just one of the most ignorant and laughable things I've read from a court in a while. Oh, who am I kidding. It's standard Trump judge fare. But 10 years ago, it would have met that criteria.
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Atlanta was winning Super Bowl LI 28-3 in the third quarter but lost. Many people are questioning how this could happen, so we should probably just declare Atlanta the winner.
 
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