NC Supreme Court race - Riggs ahead +734 | Griffin loses in Fed Court, Concedes

[DiehardHeelFan]

Actually there was a new election rather having certain votes being thrown out. And that was after a hearing in which the candidate being investigated said he didn’t want to continue proceeding with the hearing and that there should be a new election.

Yes, BOE determined a new election was needed on a 5-0 vote, so bipartisan. There was voter fraud and people were criminally charged. I don’t find this comparable to what Griffin is doing.

 

[Icky Mettle]

Yes, BOE determined a new election was needed on a 5-0 vote, so bipartisan. There was voter fraud and people were criminally charged. I don’t find this comparable to what Griffin is doing.

Yeah, it’s not at all.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

No, it isn’t. It is the BOE flagging voter fraud.

Do you mean the same BOE where the Democrats had a majority?

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Yes, BOE determined a new election was needed on a 5-0 vote, so bipartisan. There was voter fraud and people were criminally charged. I don’t find this comparable to what Griffin is doing.

Well it's not exactly the same certainly but I do find it comparable in the sense that a political party and/or a candidate who is a member of that party is using legal mechanisms to challenge the vote that they lost.

I'm not sure why people are so upset that Republicans are going to the courts for relief which is absolutely their legal right.

 

[Icky Mettle]

Well it's not exactly the same certainly but I do find it comparable in the sense that a political party and/or a candidate who is a member of that party is using legal mechanisms to challenge the vote that they lost.

I'm not sure why people are so upset that Republicans are going to the courts for relief which is absolutely their legal right.

But it’s not a legal right.

And the 2018 9th district election involved actual evidence of fraud. There is no evidence of fraud here. On top of that, the matter was handled by the BOE and properly remained under the BOE’s jurisdiction (vs. the courts). The only exception was that Harris filed suit in state court seeking an order for the BOE to certify the election results, but the court ruled that there were no legal grounds to intervene in the BOE’s process.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

But it’s not a legal right.

And the 2018 9th district election involved actual evidence of fraud. There is no evidence of fraud here. On top of that, the matter was handled by the BOE and properly remained under the BOE’s jurisdiction (vs. the courts). The only exception was that Harris filed suit in state court seeking an order for the BOE to certify the election results, but the court ruled that there were no legal grounds to intervene in the BOE’s process.

If it's not a legal right, how are they in court right now? Is there some sort of technical legal thing I'm missing?

 

[Icky Mettle]

If it's not a legal right, how are they in court right now? Is there some sort of technical legal thing I'm missing?

Well anybody can file suit in court even if it is frivolous and/or does not raise an actual cognizable legal claim. If they file it, it’s in court. That’s basically what is happening here. But there is no “legal right” to challenge the provisional ballot process for the reasons he is trying to challenge it.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Well anybody can file suit in court even if it is frivolous and/or does not raise an actual cognizable legal claim. If they file it, it’s in court. That’s basically what is happening here. But there is no “legal right” to challenge the provisional ballot process for the reasons he is trying to challenge it.

I mean that is what I said. He has the legal right to go to the courts for relief. That doesn't mean he will win of course.

But isn't this a little further than simply filing a lawsuit? The court has blocked certification of the election result. Both parties are filing motions in both state and federal court and judges are ruling on those motions. This seems a bit more than a frivolous claim.

 

[Icky Mettle]

I mean that is what I said. He has the legal right to go to the courts for relief. That doesn't mean he will win of course.

But isn't this a little further than simply filing a lawsuit? The court has blocked certification of the election result. Both parties are filing motions in both state and federal court and judges are ruling on those motions. This seems a bit more than a frivolous claim.

There is no basis for him to file the suit he is filing. He is not making a legal claim made available by law. As for the NC Supreme Court blocking certification, I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of the court will make up something out of thin air to rule in Griffin’s favor regardless of how frivolous it is. That court’s majority is made up of true political hacks who have no regard for the law and will make things up as they go to get their desired result. Dietz seems to be the only exception with regard to this particular case, as he dissented from the majority’s decision to block certification. It has been virtually unheard of with this current Supreme Court to see one the the Republican justices disagree with the others.

As for both/all parties filing pleadings in court, Riggs and the BOE (separate parties) wouldn’t be filing anything if they didn’t have to respond to Griffin’s pleadings. Even frivolous claims have to be addressed to avoid default judgment.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

There is no basis for him to file the suit he is filing. He is not making a legal claim made available by law. As for the NC Supreme Court blocking certification, I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of the court will make up something out of thin air to rule in Griffin’s favor regardless of how frivolous it is. That court’s majority is made up of true political hacks who have no regard for the law and will make things up as they go to get their desired result. Dietz seems to be the only exception with regard to this particular case, as he dissented from the majority’s decision to block certification. It has been virtually unheard of with this current Supreme Court to see one the the Republican justices disagree with the others.

As for both/all parties filing pleadings in court, Riggs and the BOE (separate parties) wouldn’t be filing anything if they didn’t have to respond to Griffin’s pleadings. Even frivolous claims have to be addressed to avoid default judgment.

Okay. He has no basis for filing the suit he is filing in your opinion. You are certainly more qualified than me to make the claim so you are probably right. I guess we will see if the courts agree.

Regardless, that is not the same as not having the legal right to go to court for relief.

 

[05C40]

Yes, BOE determined a new election was needed on a 5-0 vote, so bipartisan. There was voter fraud and people were criminally charged. I don’t find this comparable to what Griffin is doing.

And let's not forget how committed the GOP is to having fair and clean elections. But that 2018 NC Congressional election that had to be rerun because of fraud and the winning candidate just withdrew out of shame at what he done, what ever happened to him? Oh, yeah, now I remember, Mark Harris, or should I say The Reverand Mark Harris, or should I say Representative Mark Harris, or should I say my Represnetative in the US House Mark Harris. Yeah, the GOP really hates people who commit voter fraud. The Reverand Representative Harris had to wait a full six years before before the GOP forgave him for getting caught committing election fraud. Yeah, the GOP is all about not getting caught committing election fraud.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

One thing that shouldn't be forgotten in all this is that the NC GOP knows full well that the only hope NC Democrats ever have of winning back the legislature is to do it through the state courts. They've gerrymandered the legislature to the point that Democrats will never win back control via the election process - they'd have to win the state by absurdly large margins (60% plus) just to win a bare majority in either house of the legislature. So if they can prevent Democrats from ever winning back control of the State Supreme Court they'll pretty much have permanent control of the both the state legislative and judicial branches. And they can continue to just take away powers from the executive branch until it is nothing more than a shadow of the legislative branch (and in some ways it already is). That's what this is really about in the long run - the final attempt by the NC GOP to permanently win control of the legislature. Only the State Supreme Court can overturn their gerrymandering, and so they're going to fight tooth and nail with all the tenacity and ruthlessness they possess to keep it from ever going Democratic again.

 

[OahuHiHeel]

 

[DiehardHeelFan]

There have been 2 recounts and Allison Riggs has still come out ahead in both. In 2020, a Democrat lost by roughly 400 votes. After 2 recounts she was still behind. She conceded to the Republican.

 

[triangleblogblog]

Please search and share widely. Voters in every county in the state are impacted, and many (most?) have no idea.

The Griffin List

A list of 60,273 North Carolina voters – these are registered voters who showed ID to early vote in the November 2024 election – whose votes Jefferson Griffin wants to not be counted. Griffin lost a close election for the North Carolina Supreme Court, confirmed via two recounts...

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Location of voters on Griffin's list

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[nycfan]

Please search and share widely. Voters in every county in the state are impacted, and many (most?) have no idea.

The Griffin List

A list of 60,273 North Carolina voters – these are registered voters who showed ID to early vote in the November 2024 election – whose votes Jefferson Griffin wants to not be counted. Griffin lost a close election for the North Carolina Supreme Court, confirmed via two recounts...

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Location of voters on Griffin's list

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Turns out I have a couple of relatives on the list!

 

[triangleblogblog]

Updated with interactive map: The Griffin List

 

[Enigma94]

The fact that there is a list of names out there of voters being questioned, but zero accounts of fraudulent or even ineligible votes tells me all I need to know. I can guarantee that there are people scouring this list looking for names that weren't eligible to vote so they can trumpet it to the world that these votes need to be nullified.

 

[mpaer]

Yea

The fact that there is a list of names out there of voters being questioned, but zero accounts of fraudulent or even ineligible votes tells me all I need to know. I can guarantee that there are people scouring this list looking for names that weren't eligible to vote so they can trumpet it to the world that these votes need to be nullified.

there are probably 3 names that are illegal-Like in any election of several million

 

[nycfan]