New DES Center-Merge where needed

farce© said:
It’s expensive for a family of four to go to any “major league” sporting event. And I include the highest level of college football and basketball as major sports. UNC isn’t an outlier.
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Amen
I did not understand this facility was going to built on $20,000 plus per seat, per person, per year costs.
That's on me
For all my many decades of Carolina Fandom-including 35 years in the seats-I have always known cool stuff in Carolina sports are largely due to big donors
 
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Ramrouser said:
Agree, although Major League Baseball may be the best option for families. I know the Braves offer some pretty cheap seat options for families.
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Agreed. MLB clubs have 81 home games and let’s say the average ballpark holds 40,000 people. That’s over 3 million seats they have to sell each year. That’s is just so much more than any other sport, they have to offer better value. NFL has 9 home games at 75,000 seats each. That’s 20% of the seasonal capacity of MLB. You can do the math for other college and professional sports and nothing comes close to the inventory MLB has to sell.
 
mpaer said:
I think 3,000-not so shabby ? But is by far not definitive
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I would be very surprised but very pleased if that’s the case. In a 16k arena, maybe only 7k seats will be lower level. If almost half are students that would be a huge improvement in atmosphere. My fear is 3k is allotment for students in total. That would be less than DES. If we screw this up for another 40 years by giving too many courtside seats to blue hairs I will be very sad.
 
This, more than anything else, is the clearest indicator that it's all about money now.

Why spend a $1B building an off campus arena that won't be accessible to students, when you could spend $250M renovating what you got, building a new parking deck where Bowles lot is, and keeping your historic on campus venue as part of your culture?

Blow out the concourse of DES and build whatever luxuries you've always wanted. Replace the troughs with some actual bathrooms. Luxury concessions. Whatever!

Build luxury boxes in the upper level much like they have at Thompson Bowling in Knoxville. They aren't court side but they'd still have the best view. This would serve a dual purpose: give the donors primo seats but also reduce the capacity, thus making your jacked up ticket price more understandable.

You spent $1B on a new building and 2/3 of that's going to the edifice itself. Renovate your current and you can spend it all on luxuries.

Whatever they do, I don't think they can afford it with private money alone. Probably going to have to get Orange County involved to dedicate some of their hotel tax proceeds.
 
WBroylesH said:
Why spend a $1B building an off campus arena that won't be accessible to students, when you could spend $250M renovating what you got, building a new parking deck where Bowles lot is, and keeping your historic on campus venue as part of your culture?
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According to numbers from UNC, the plan that renovates the current DES comes in north of $550m and doesn't include a Bowles Lot parking deck (which would be an additional $50m, at minimum).

The expense gap between renovating and building new isn't nearly as large as you imagine.
 
SnoopRob said:
According to numbers from UNC, the plan that renovates the current DES comes in north of $550m and doesn't include a Bowles Lot parking deck (which would be an additional $50m, at minimum).

The expense gap between renovating and building new isn't nearly as large as you imagine.
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Exactly. It is important to analyze the options in a fact based way, not with exaggerated or hyperbolic numbers.

A lot of the expense of the North option would be attributable to non-basketball purposes. For example, a 3,000 space parking garage benefits the new campus 351 days of the year in which basketball is not being played (setting aside the fact that ideally, we would build less parking garages and more public transportation options -- that really isn't realistic in Chapel Hill or NC as a whole).
 
Calheel said:
Exactly. It is important to analyze the options in a fact based way, not with exaggerated or hyperbolic numbers.

A lot of the expense of the North option would be attributable to non-basketball purposes. For example, a 3,000 space parking garage benefits the new campus 351 days of the year in which basketball is not being played (setting aside the fact that ideally, we would build less parking garages and more public transportation options -- that really isn't realistic in Chapel Hill or NC as a whole).
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And that garage is tagged at $180 million . Garages ain't cheap. But obviously as we "build out" Campus North that Garage would be useful
 
SnoopRob said:
According to numbers from UNC, the plan that renovates the current DES comes in north of $550m and doesn't include a Bowles Lot parking deck (which would be an additional $50m, at minimum).

The expense gap between renovating and building new isn't nearly as large as you imagine.
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Fine.

$550M vs >$1B.

Pennies of difference /s
 
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