Political Current Events March 3-4 | SOTU Address

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bassydude77 said:
I am a little confused as to why the Dems, for the most part, didn't stand for the cancer kid. Clearly used as a prop, but just terrible optics. I've been looking for a response from someone in Congress as to the reason, but haven't seen anything. Just seemed like an odd position to take and gives Trumpers a perfect opporutnity to remind everyone how "evil" Dems truly are.
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Nobody is going to remember this. SOTU speeches and the like are theater that have no effect in the real world.
 
ZenMode said:
Again, my point is that both Dems and Reps focus on social issues because there really isn't (or wasn't) a needle-moving issue that differentiated the two parties outside of social issues.

I also mentioned it earlier.... I don't think tariffs moved the needle in 2024. For the average voter, tariffs are a fairly new variable. They could move the needle in 2028. That would be a social issue that differentiates the two parties and moves the needle.
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Needle-moving is doing a lot of work for you there. And the problem with that reliance is that needle-moving is unobservable and question-begging. It's also hard to define what you mean. What if a person got really, really worked up about trans people. Does that mean their concern about the economy (if they favored Dems) was not needle-moving? I suppose you could say that retroactively, but it doesn't tell you much going forward.

I'd say the indiscriminate slashing and destruction of the federal government is needle-moving and an extremely significant issue at that, and the parties strongly differ.

The Pubs lean on social issues because their economic ideas are incredibly unpopular and would be huge losers if they ran on them. So they gay and race panic instead.
 
superrific said:
Needle-moving is doing a lot of work for you there. And the problem with that reliance is that needle-moving is unobservable and question-begging. It's also hard to define what you mean. What if a person got really, really worked up about trans people. Does that mean their concern about the economy (if they favored Dems) was not needle-moving? I suppose you could say that retroactively, but it doesn't tell you much going forward.

I'd say the indiscriminate slashing and destruction of the federal government is needle-moving and an extremely significant issue at that, and the parties strongly differ.

The Pubs lean on social issues because their economic ideas are incredibly unpopular and would be huge losers if they ran on them. So they gay and race panic instead.
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The claim that I initially responded to was saying "Republicans are obsessed with social issues!". I said that was correct because, again, outside of social issues, there aren't many issues where Ds and Rs have a serious differences to focus on. Even tariffs are generally agreed upon by both parties - it really comes down to degrees of usage and tariffs, unless they hit Americans hard, probably aren't going to be needle moving. Neither is how much we tax capital gains, tax the top 1% earners, how much we spend on defense, etc. There just isn't enough daylight between Rs and Ds to make those issues meaningful.

How much did Ds pound on abortion rights? A LOT because that is something were Rs and Ds generally significantly differ.... it's also a social issue.
 
bassydude77 said:
I am a little confused as to why the Dems, for the most part, didn't stand for the cancer kid. Clearly used as a prop, but just terrible optics. I've been looking for a response from someone in Congress as to the reason, but haven't seen anything. Just seemed like an odd position to take and gives Trumpers a perfect opporutnity to remind everyone how "evil" Dems truly are.
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Its because bipartisan politics have evolved into the partys of revengeful petty little snowflakes on both sides.
 
[Trump voice] "People are saying it was probably the most perfect swearing in in the last 100 years at least, I dunno, maybe in the history of the world probably, you know Julius Caesar's was pretty good as well from what I hear, people really enjoyed that one a lot, but I'm being told that mine was much better actually, and frankly I would agree." [/Trump voice]
 
“During his address to Congress on Tuesday night, Trump boasted about what he described as a major win for the U.S. auto industry, claiming Honda had announced plans to build a massive new plant in Indiana.

"In fact, already, numerous car companies have announced that they will be building massive automobile plants in America, with Honda just announcing a new plant in Indiana, one of the largest anywhere in the world," Trump declared, crediting his administration’s tariffs and policies for the supposed expansion.

However, Honda quickly fact-checked the president’s claim, making it clear that no such announcement had been made. In a statement to WRTV, Honda firmly denied Trump’s assertion, emphasizing that its existing Indiana facility has been operational since 2008.

“Honda has made no such announcement and will not comment on this report,” the company said, clarifying that its long-standing approach has been to “build products close to the customer.” A Honda spokesperson further acknowledged Trump’s comments but reiterated that no new plant is in the works. …”

 
4thgenheel said:
there's nothing "illogical" in pointing out that republicans used a kid with cancer as a prop last night but in the real world they're fucking over kids with cancer.

it's actually extremely logical, lmao.
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Hey now, usually when Trump is using kids with cancer for props it is to steal money from them.
This is an improvement.
 
“About 36.6 million Americans watched President Trump live on television on Tuesday night, tuning in for his 100-minute speech to a joint session of Congress — the longest of its kind in the modern era.

Nielsen, the ratings agency, said the live television audience for Mr. Trump’s wide-ranging and often pugilistic address was up 13 percent from former President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s final State of the Union speech a year ago.

… According to Nielsen, about 71 percent of live TV viewers were 55 and older. …”

www.nytimes.com

More Than 36 Million Watched Trump’s Address to Congress on Live TV

The annual presidential speech is one of the last remaining mass-audience media moments available to a national politician.
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nycfan said:
“About 36.6 million Americans watched President Trump live on television on Tuesday night, tuning in for his 100-minute speech to a joint session of Congress — the longest of its kind in the modern era.

Nielsen, the ratings agency, said the live television audience for Mr. Trump’s wide-ranging and often pugilistic address was up 13 percent from former President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s final State of the Union speech a year ago.

… According to Nielsen, about 71 percent of live TV viewers were 55 and older. …”

www.nytimes.com

More Than 36 Million Watched Trump’s Address to Congress on Live TV

The annual presidential speech is one of the last remaining mass-audience media moments available to a national politician.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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I feel like that's an unfair comparison though. Instead of comparing viewer numbers of this or any Trump tv spectacle with that of previous presidents, shouldn't we comparing these to Jerry Springer or WWE numbers? You know, programming of a similar nature?
 
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