Pope Francis

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Way back when he was new to the job I had heard rumblings of worrisome things from friends who follow Argentine history -- I understand that even for all but the most convinced those accusations (from the time of the Dirty War, i.e., that as a young bishop he had colluded with General Videla's dictatorship) had not only been researched away but effectively reversed (he had actually worked behind the scenes to save lives during that time).

With that "cleared up," turning to his life and works Pope Francis would seem to have been one of the very best and most human Popes -- an Anti-MAGA, anti-fascist, and pro-Diversity, pro-Equity, and pro-Inclusivity Pontiff steeped in Critical Thinking and living a life that exemplified those ways.

That he was from somewhere other than Europe and specifically the often troubled nation of Argentina turned out to be a plus in the eyes of many. He knew oppression and the face of authoritarianism first hand. That he was a Jesuit, that in and of itself worrying to some folks, may actually have made him tougher and a more formidable foe for the Right than many might have been (they've been referred to as "The Pope's Green Beret" in the past for the martial nature of their organization).

The world needs someone of similar quality moving forward into what promise to be many more years of struggle against global forces represented by the likes of Putin, trump, Xi, Bukele, Erdogan, Orban, and the list goes on and on and deeper and deeper, showing flavors and varieties of anti-democratic governments that command across the planet in alarming numbers. Less than half the world population enjoys democratic republican constitutional rule at present by conservative standards and that estimate is slipping to The Right Authoritarian aisle more every day.

Watch the Vatican and the Papal Conclave -- their choice will be important.
 
I personally know Catholics who were turned off by some of Francis' liberal views. Whether or not they "left" the church, or in any way took a step back, I don't know.

What I do know that churches, in general, appear to be struggling to maintain membership and, more importantly, keep the money coming in. It seems more likely that the Catholic Church would lose Conservative members due to a liberal pope than vice versa, so my guess is they go more conservative this time around. Fridolin Ambongo seems like a good option. He was against blessing of same-sex unions, which was very controversial, but he's black so there's something for both sides.
 
I fear the Ambongo choice -- That would tend to place most of the rest of the Christian world in the same dustbin so much of Protestantism now finds itself...with the resulting loss of even more moral teaching.
 
On matters related to the faith and the Church he can also appear decidedly orthodox: he staunchly defends the family, priestly celibacy, and the Church’s moral teaching. He was famously resistant on behalf of most African bishops to Fiducia Supplicans, and deftly negotiated with the Vatican an opt out from the declaration.
Fiducia supplicans is a 2023 declaration on Catholic doctrine that allows Catholic priests to bless couples who are not married according to church teaching, including same-sex couples. Subtitled "On …
 
I personally know Catholics who were turned off by some of Francis' liberal views.

Those darned "liberal views" like treating immigrants with kindness and caring for the poor and sick.

All Francis was doing was holding up a mirror to those for whom Christianity is more of a social club or status symbol and showing them who they really are. If they actually cared about Jesus, they'd try to follow his teachings, or at least not attack those who do.
 
Those darned "liberal views" like treating immigrants with kindness and caring for the poor and sick.

All Francis was doing was holding up a mirror to those for whom Christianity is more of a social club or status symbol and showing them who they really are. If they actually cared about Jesus, they'd try to follow his teachings, or at least not attack those who do.

To what extent has the diminution of his political power (about the history of which I know nothing) allowed the Pope to become a more forthright moral and ethical leader?
 
Oh
Popes are imperfect. But if they juSt push international politics to stop massive apartheid type stuff. They do some good
 

The oldest brother of newly elected Pope Leo XIV has predicted that the Roman Catholic church’s first-ever US-born leader will strive to be apolitical in his role – which, if that happens, would cut a stark contrast with the papal sibling’s fierce support of far-right American politics.

Facebook posts under the name of Louis Martin “Lou” Prevost, whose youngest brother, Robert Prevost,was recently picked to succeed the late Pope Francis, have come under scrutiny from journalists and social media users as the world seeks hints about what kind of relationship Leo may foster with Donald Trump.


One of the posts from Lou – a resident of Port Charlotte, Florida, which is in a majority Republican county – recirculates a video referring to the Democratic congresswoman Nancy Pelosi, the former US House speaker, as a “drunk [C-word]”.

Another accused Barack Obama and the Democratic party which he led as president from 2009 to 2017 of “longing for the total destruction of our way of life and turning this country into a dictatorship, and a racist one on top of it”.

Yet another post called for Democrats who met with the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, after he and Trump argued in the Oval Office about his country’s war with Russia to be arrested on charges of treason. And a separate post shared an anti-LGBTQ+ meme with the text: “Your child isn’t trans – you’re just a shitty parent.”

In interviews that he granted after Leo’s election, Lou has made it a point to say that he and his brother, widely seen as ideologically moderate, have their differences.

Lou told the New York Times that he was conservative, and he and Leo – as the outlet put it – “disagreed on some things”. And, more lightheartedly, Lou described how he rooted for his home town Chicago Cubs baseball team while Leo backed their intracity rivals the White Sox as they grew up there with their parents and their middle brother, John.
 

The oldest brother of newly elected Pope Leo XIV has predicted that the Roman Catholic church’s first-ever US-born leader will strive to be apolitical in his role – which, if that happens, would cut a stark contrast with the papal sibling’s fierce support of far-right American politics.

Facebook posts under the name of Louis Martin “Lou” Prevost, whose youngest brother, Robert Prevost,was recently picked to succeed the late Pope Francis, have come under scrutiny from journalists and social media users as the world seeks hints about what kind of relationship Leo may foster with Donald Trump.


One of the posts from Lou – a resident of Port Charlotte, Florida, which is in a majority Republican county – recirculates a video referring to the Democratic congresswoman Nancy Pelosi, the former US House speaker, as a “drunk [C-word]”.

Another accused Barack Obama and the Democratic party which he led as president from 2009 to 2017 of “longing for the total destruction of our way of life and turning this country into a dictatorship, and a racist one on top of it”.

Yet another post called for Democrats who met with the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, after he and Trump argued in the Oval Office about his country’s war with Russia to be arrested on charges of treason. And a separate post shared an anti-LGBTQ+ meme with the text: “Your child isn’t trans – you’re just a shitty parent.”

In interviews that he granted after Leo’s election, Lou has made it a point to say that he and his brother, widely seen as ideologically moderate, have their differences.

Lou told the New York Times that he was conservative, and he and Leo – as the outlet put it – “disagreed on some things”. And, more lightheartedly, Lou described how he rooted for his home town Chicago Cubs baseball team while Leo backed their intracity rivals the White Sox as they grew up there with their parents and their middle brother, John.
“Crowd boos again.”
 
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