Public Health News | Measles outbreak, RFK Etc

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ZenMode said:
As the risk of causing a tsunami.....

If gender dysphoria is some type mental condition, in other words it's caused by events/functionality in the brain, is it that outlandish to try to treat and "cure" it?

If it were any other mental condition, PTSD, OCD, etc, would there be a political angle to treating it?
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That's what gender affirming care *does* you absolute tuber.
 
And has that ever been raised as an actual reason for conversion therapy? Speaking of strawmen.
 
How successful has “curing” homosexuals been?

There’s Michelle Bachmann’s husband…..he’s obviously a grounded, happy heterosexual man in a marriage with a wonderful Christian woman.
 
ZenMode said:
GAC reinforces the gender dysphoria, it doesn't try to "cure" it. "Cure" meaning align the gender of the brain with the gender of the physical body.
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whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu

What does the scholarly research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being? | What We Know

Overview We conducted a systematic literature review of all peer-reviewed articles published in English between 1991 and June 2017 that assess the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being. We identified 55 studies that consist of primary research on this topic, of which 51 (93%)...
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It would appear that a meta analysis of the relevant medical literature and studies on the results of gender affirming care would show that it is effective at treating dysphoria.

Do you have some scientific support for the notion that it reinforces the dysphoria or exacerbates it?

Gender affirming care aligns the gender of the brain with that of the body. That's the entire point.
 
StrangePackage said:
whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu

What does the scholarly research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being? | What We Know

Overview We conducted a systematic literature review of all peer-reviewed articles published in English between 1991 and June 2017 that assess the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being. We identified 55 studies that consist of primary research on this topic, of which 51 (93%)...
whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu

It would appear that a meta analysis of the relevant medical literature and studies on the results of gender affirming care would show that it is effective at treating dysphoria.

Do you have some scientific support for the notion that it reinforces the dysphoria or exacerbates it?

Gender affirming care aligns the gender of the brain with that of the body. That's the entire point.
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Gender affirming care, as your link states, involves surgically changing the body of the person to align it with what's going on in their brain. That's the equivalent of a person with OCD, who desires to wash their hands every 5 minutes, installing sinks in every room of their house to "treat" their obsessive behavior.

That's not the kind of treatment RFK is talking about. He's talking about changing what's going on in the brain so it aligns with the physical body.

1. The scholarly literature makes clear that gender transition is effective in treating gender dysphoria and can significantly improve the well-being of transgender individuals.
 
Zoo_View said:
I, for one, tune into this message board to learn from ZenMode’s legal and psychological/psychiatric statements.

It’s a new area of knowledge.
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Interesting. Most people are only interested in my humor.
 
ZenMode said:
Gender affirming care, as your link states, involves surgically changing the body of the person to align it with what's going on in their brain. That's the equivalent of a person with OCD, who desires to wash their hands every 5 minutes, installing sinks in every room of their house to "treat" their obsessive behavior.

That's not the kind of treatment RFK is talking about. He's talking about changing what's going on in the brain so it aligns with the physical body.

1. The scholarly literature makes clear that gender transition is effective in treating gender dysphoria and can significantly improve the well-being of transgender individuals.
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1. His link doesn't say that.
2. Gender affirming care does not always involve surgery, although it can.
3. The evidence is overwhelming -- especially from those who do not have an axe to grind -- that gender affirming care produces superior mental health outcomes in the vast, vast majority of cases. Unlike installing multiple sinks in the home of an OCD person, it actually produces tangible health benefits.
 
finesse said:
From your first article (Wiki is okay for a quick introduction but can't be trusted on details).


Descendant cells are the medium in which these vaccines are prepared. The cell lines under consideration were begun using cells taken from one or more fetuses aborted almost 40 years ago. Since that time the cell lines have grown independently. It is important to note that descendant cells are not the cells of the aborted child. They never, themselves, formed a part of the victim's body.

In total only two fetuses, both obtained from abortions done by maternal choice, have given rise to the human cell strains used in vaccine development. Neither abortion was performed for the purpose of vaccine development.

That doesn't sound like aborted fetus debris to me.
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You're right. I linked the wrong article. Sorry about that. Use this one.


Q. Is [human] fetal cell DNA contained in vaccines?
A. Because vaccine viruses go through several steps of purification
and because DNA does not withstand these processes very well,
any components of DNA that remain are highly fragmented and
minimal. When DNA from the production process has been
measured in vaccines, it was only present in picogram quantities.
A picogram is one-trillionth of a gram (0.000000000001). As such,
this small amount of fragmented material is not able to cause
damage or interact with our own DNA.
 
Calheel said:
1. His link doesn't say that.
2. Gender affirming care does not always involve surgery, although it can.
3. The evidence is overwhelming -- especially from those who do not have an axe to grind -- that gender affirming care produces superior mental health outcomes in the vast, vast majority of cases. Unlike installing multiple sinks in the home of an OCD person, it actually produces tangible health benefits.
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I'm not disputing the effectiveness of gender affirming care and I agree it doesn't always include surgery, though it seems like that is often the eventual goal.

I'm saying that RFK isn't looking to affirm what's going on in the mind of the person. If the person has a male body, but believes they are female, he's looking to change their mind to align with their body.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
You're right. I linked the wrong article. Sorry about that. Use this one.


Q. Is [human] fetal cell DNA contained in vaccines?
A. Because vaccine viruses go through several steps of purification
and because DNA does not withstand these processes very well,
any components of DNA that remain are highly fragmented and
minimal. When DNA from the production process has been
measured in vaccines, it was only present in picogram quantities.
A picogram is one-trillionth of a gram (0.000000000001). As such,
this small amount of fragmented material is not able to cause
damage or interact with our own DNA.
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The answer still seems to essentially be no.
 
ZenMode said:
I'm not disputing the effectiveness of gender affirming care and I agree it doesn't always include surgery, though it seems like that is often the eventual goal.

I'm saying that RFK isn't looking to affirm what's going on in the mind of the person. If the person has a male body, but believes they are female, he's looking to change their mind to align with their body.
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Right. He's looking to do the opposite of what has been proven safe and effective.

Which is fucking stupid.
 
ZenMode said:
I'm not disputing the effectiveness of gender affirming care and I agree it doesn't always include surgery, though it seems like that is often the eventual goal.

I'm saying that RFK isn't looking to affirm what's going on in the mind of the person. If the person has a male body, but believes they are female, he's looking to change their mind to align with their body.
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Can you link to a reputable study that shows that even working? How does the suicide rate of participants, especially forced participants , compare to the success rate?
 
finesse said:
Can you link to a reputable study that shows that even working? How does the suicide rate of participants, especially forced participants , compare to the success rate?
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I don't have a link to a study showing that RFK's idea is effective. Of course, before gender affirming care was tried and found to be effective, they were probably no studies on that either.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't have a link to a study showing that RFK's idea is effective. Of course, before gender affirming care was tried and found to be effective, they were probably no studies on that either.
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Can you link to a study that shows it is even plausible?
 
finesse said:
Can you link to a study that shows it is even plausible?
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No, but I don't know if I've ever seen a study on something being "even plausible". I'm thinking of a fairly recent theory regarding MDMA being useful for treating PTSD. I don't know how you'd have a study on feasibility in that case.
 
ZenMode said:
No, but I don't know if I've ever seen a study on something being "even plausible". I'm thinking of a fairly recent theory regarding MDMA being useful for treating PTSD. I don't know how you'd have a study on feasibility in that case.
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Aren't you the same guy who hated "wasting" money on studies about why people refuse vaccines, a proven problem? Yet, you support actually looking into this? How much would that cost, why would you do it and, most particularly, where would you start?

Btw, are you really this clueless about research? It's hard to even pretend you are a serious person.
 
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