Public Health News | Measles outbreak, RFK Etc

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Unlike you, I know how science works. I've read studies. Lots of them are needed:

1. There are a lot of factors that require controls. Different studies try to do controls in different ways, but no study can control for everything. Taking the studies together helps create a fuller picture. If five studies find an effect, but five others don't, then maybe we need to look at the differences in those studies to find the answers.

2. Studies on humans never present clean data. Again, that makes things more complex.

3. Science is built on replication. Right off the bat, redundancy (i.e. inefficiency) is a fundamental aspect of scientific research.

4. When lots of studies are conducted, then how to make sense of them all? You need more studies. In particular, some studies are called meta-analyses, which is when researchers take all the studies that have been conducted, and then try to make sense out of the results. Meta-analyses are often used by policy makers, because they tend to be more generally applicable.

I can't answer your question about 40. I can tell you that there are ***thousands*** of studies that have tested the predictions of relativity. There are tens of thousands testing quantum theories.
"I can't answer your question about 40. I can tell you that there are ***thousands*** of studies that have tested the predictions of relativity. There are tens of thousands testing quantum theories."

There's tons of unknowns in relativity and quantum theories. There's nothing complex about vaccines except how you convince the crazies to stop being crazy .
 
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Offended ,not upset. I just had trouble understanding that not only are you such a moral degenerate that you would intentionally misquote a post to argue against the misquote but such a degenerate as to not understand how discrediting that is of both your argument and you as a person. I have no interest of discussing anything with you ever again. I know who and what you are and how low you are willing to sink. I cant imagine the circumstances where that will ever change.
He argues for sport. He's not interested in having a conversation or learning/ exchanging ideas. He gets his kicks off of riling people up by constantly moving the goals posts... then pretending like there's something wrong with you for getting upset. You'll never "win" with him... as "winning" is not his goal. He does not care about any of the topics he argues about. He has no interest in proving a POV or changing minds. He's bored with life and this is his entertainment.
 
He argues for sport. He's not interested in having a conversation or learning/ exchanging ideas. He gets his kicks off of riling people up by constantly moving the goals posts... then pretending like there's something wrong with you for getting upset. You'll never "win" with him... as "winning" is not his goal. He does not care about any of the topics he argues about. He has no interest in proving a POV or changing minds. He's bored with life and this is his entertainment.
That's really unfair. I certainly don't want the guy to start cursing at me or throwing a tantrum. It's certainly not my goal to make anybody angry although I seem to do it more than most.

I made a statement mildly supporting a claim that RFK made and he wanted to prove me wrong. I don't think he did and I'm sure he disagrees. I'm fine with that. I made my case and I've moved on. Apparently so has he.
 
That's really unfair. I certainly don't want the guy to start cursing at me or throwing a tantrum. It's certainly not my goal to make anybody angry although I seem to do it more than most.

I made a statement mildly supporting a claim that RFK made and he wanted to prove me wrong. I don't think he did and I'm sure he disagrees. I'm fine with that. I made my case and I've moved on. Apparently so has he.
ok
 
Just had lunch with a current CDC employee here in ATL. Things are bleak- very bleak and moral is rock bottom. They all get regular govt emails encouraging them to look for jobs in the private sector, telling them they are poor low performing employees. Section heads are reassigned to the Indian Heath Service or told to quit. Surveillance labs monitoring nHepatitis, STDs, etc are completely shut down and mouse animal colonies are unattended (no staff). Every week they all STILL have to send in emails of 5 things they accomplished. These get no confirmation that they have been received or read. They are not allowed to put specifics (eg drugs or disease) because all are warned that anything they put in emails are being read by hostile foreign actors. Much more, but It’s a total shitshow. These are all highly trained and competent professionals. It’s truly sickening.
 
That's really unfair. I certainly don't want the guy to start cursing at me or throwing a tantrum. It's certainly not my goal to make anybody angry although I seem to do it more than most.

I made a statement mildly supporting a claim that RFK made and he wanted to prove me wrong. I don't think he did and I'm sure he disagrees. I'm fine with that. I made my case and I've moved on. Apparently so has he.
But you didn't make a case. You just said shit and then parsed it so razor thin as to be cutting air molecules. In other words. like most of your efforts, you wasted yours and everybody's precious time. https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AFRPvhDr8/
 

Kennedy Orders Search for New Measles Treatments Instead of Urging Vaccination​

Decades of research have turned up no miracle treatment for measles, but studies show the M.M.R. shot is 97 percent effective in preventing the disease.


“With the United States facing its largest single measles outbreak in 25 years, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. will direct federal health agencies to explore potential new treatments for the disease, including vitamins, according to an H.H.S. spokesman. The decision is the latest in a series of actions by the nation’s top health official that experts fear will undermine public confidence in vaccines as an essential public health tool.

… Scientists have already thoroughly studied various vitamins and medications as potential treatments for measles, said Michael Osterholm an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota.

Decades of research have turned up no miracle treatment for the measles virus, which can cause pneumonia, making it difficult for patients to get oxygen into their lungs, and brain swelling, which can cause blindness, deafness and intellectual disabilities.

“It’s not that there’s been a lack of studies,” he said. …”
 
But you didn't make a case. You just said shit and then parsed it so razor thin as to be cutting air molecules. In other words. like most of your efforts, you wasted yours and everybody's precious time. https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AFRPvhDr8/
I'm pretty sure I did make a case. I linked a reputable article and provided a relevant quote. I've quoted it again for your reference below. I'm not sure what else you require to decide if a tiny amount of fetal dna in a vaccine is the same as a trace of fetal material in a vaccine.

"When [human] DNA from the production process has been measured in vaccines, it was only present in picogram quantities. A picogram is one-trillionth of a gram (0.000000000001)."
 
I'm pretty sure I did make a case. I linked a reputable article and provided a relevant quote. I've quoted it again for your reference below. I'm not sure what else you require to decide if a tiny amount of fetal dna in a vaccine is the same as a trace of fetal material in a vaccine.

"When [human] DNA from the production process has been measured in vaccines, it was only present in picogram quantities. A picogram is one-trillionth of a gram (0.000000000001)."
Is it fetal material if it is cells reproduced from an aborted fetus from 60 years ago? That's your argument? You should be in nuclear fission the way you're able to split atoms. Get after it big dog.
 
Is it fetal material if it is cells reproduced from an aborted fetus from 60 years ago? That's your argument? You should be in nuclear fission the way you're able to split atoms. Get after it big dog.
Yes. My argument is that its fetal material if its DNA from fetal cells. I'm not sure how that is splitting atoms. Are you making the argument that DNA from fetal cells from fetal cell lines from aborted fetuses from 60 years ago is not fetal material?
 

Kennedy Orders Search for New Measles Treatments Instead of Urging Vaccination​

Decades of research have turned up no miracle treatment for measles, but studies show the M.M.R. shot is 97 percent effective in preventing the disease.


“With the United States facing its largest single measles outbreak in 25 years, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. will direct federal health agencies to explore potential new treatments for the disease, including vitamins, according to an H.H.S. spokesman. The decision is the latest in a series of actions by the nation’s top health official that experts fear will undermine public confidence in vaccines as an essential public health tool.

… Scientists have already thoroughly studied various vitamins and medications as potential treatments for measles, said Michael Osterholm an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota.

Decades of research have turned up no miracle treatment for the measles virus, which can cause pneumonia, making it difficult for patients to get oxygen into their lungs, and brain swelling, which can cause blindness, deafness and intellectual disabilities.

“It’s not that there’s been a lack of studies,” he said. …”
I fucking hate this guy so much
 
I'm pretty sure I did make a case. I linked a reputable article and provided a relevant quote. I've quoted it again for your reference below.
No, you didn’t. You linked a website that offered a simplistic explanation targeted towards people with even less understanding about biology than you and your interpretation is akin to that of religious fundamentalists debating sentence structure in the KJV.

What RFK said is incorrect in every practical manner. At some point even the most dedicated of contrarians must stop torturing logic in the defense of crackpots. You passed that mark several posts back.
 
No, you didn’t. You linked a website that offered a simplistic explanation targeted towards people with even less understanding about biology than you and your interpretation is akin to that of religious fundamentalists debating sentence structure in the KJV.

What RFK said is incorrect in every practical manner. At some point even the most dedicated of contrarians must stop torturing logic in the defense of crackpots. You passed that mark several posts back.
Several months/years back.
 
There really is no bottom to any of this. Texas GOP Attorney General and all-around horrible human being Ken Paxton is going after Colgate and Crest toothpastes for putting fluoride in their toothpaste! He claims that the companies that make these toothpastes are "illegally marketing" the toothpastes to parents and kids "in ways that are misleading, deceptive, and dangerous." The article goes on to note that

"The move is an escalation in an ongoing battle over fluoride, which effectively prevents dental cavities and improves oral health. Community water fluoridation has been hailed by health and dental experts as one of the Top 10 great public health interventions for advancing oral health across communities, regardless of age, education, or income. But, despite the success, fluoride has always had detractors—from conspiracy theorists in the past suggesting the naturally occurring mineral is a form of communist mind control, to more recent times, in which low-quality, controversial studies have suggested that high doses may lower IQ in children."

Just sheer madness. Link: Texas goes after toothpaste in escalating fight over fluoride
 
No, you didn’t. You linked a website that offered a simplistic explanation targeted towards people with even less understanding about biology than you and your interpretation is akin to that of religious fundamentalists debating sentence structure in the KJV.

What RFK said is incorrect in every practical manner. At some point even the most dedicated of contrarians must stop torturing logic in the defense of crackpots. You passed that mark several posts back.
I also didn't agree with RFK. You must have missed that.

Was the website incorrect in some way?
 
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