If there is rioting and any kind of violence as the changeover grows near, what are the chances it's from a lot of the libs who stayed home because Harris moved the campaign to cater to Liz Cheney contingent? It would seem so this year for them to not vote and still smear the party reputation.
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theel4life
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There will be no riots. There will be no violence. There will be no significant protest demonstrations.
In 2017 there was a massive women's march in DC and a few large cities around the country. That ain't gonna happen come January.
In 2017 there was a massive women's march in DC and a few large cities around the country. That ain't gonna happen come January.
Oh. I don't think so, either. In all honesty, I just wanted to put this here for future reference if it did happen. I do believe it's the most likely scenario.
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I think there is one planned for January 17th or so. I saw a post about it earlier, but can’t seem to find it again. I’ll look for it
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I had a one month old during the marches in 2017 and was recovering from a c-section… I recall being very proud of these women and sad I couldn’t participate. But now I’m just worn out. No fight left in me to march. I have a feeling many women will feel the same… plus people will probably somewhat scared of unrest or that they may be targeted in some way. I predict there will be fewer participants this time…
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In 2017 there was a lot of frustration about the difference between the popular vote and the electoral college outcome, the shock of the latter and the sense that Comey and others had put their fingers on the scales against HRC.
This time there is no split in the popular vote and electoral college in terms of the victor. Trump got nearly 50% of the vote and more votes than Harris. Harris was a last second replacement candidate without a meaningful national base of her own and the current POTUS is immensely unpopular. There is no dispute about the outcome, so a lot less energy for a protest of the transfer of power.
And I think there is a general relief that we don’t have to go through another several months of election challenges and lies like in 2020-2021. A lot of the Civil War talk was predicated on a repeat of Trump’s attempt to destroy what he could not control after the last election. Instead, nearly a majority of voters decided to return Trump to power, many because they want what he is promising and I suspect some just to pick a side to make it stop.
There are conspiracy theorists on the left trying to drum up broader support for some idiotic notions of something amiss, but it doesn’t appear to me they are getting much traction.
For my part, I am interested to watch the new government form and see how people react if Trump implements a lot of things people assumed he was not serious about. But I don’t think there is energy in some sort of massive protest because people are exhausted and the ones who felt they were fighting to protect our democratic republic did so out of respect for the system and so respect the outcome even when they don’t respect the winner or his political ideas.
After the election in 2008, the GOP seemed similarly in shambles. But the Tea Party emerged by the Summer of 2009 and began the path to where we find ourselves now. I certainly don’t want to see some liberal mirror image of a Tea Party populist movement, but somewhere along the way, once the GOP takes full control of DC, they’ll eventually own everything that follows. And at some point a resistance coalition will emerge.
But the left really is more of a European coalition of a pretty broad range of political beliefs right now and one in shambles at the moment. So we could be in for a dozen years in the desert like after the 1980 election before some cohesive coalition emerges. Who knows?
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This^^^ is where we are. And it's also a good bet that 10-12 years of Maga-rule will follow. And as you say, they will have to "own everything". And the majority of the American people will either be "ok" with all of that, or they won't. But to wrest control from Maga will be the issue. What with all the gerrymandering, stacked courts, Maga ruling everything from dog-catcher and school boards to all three branches - including the majority of State Houses. It'll be a tough nut to crack and may require that "civil war" Maga has been begging for since 2010. They may just get it after all. The FAFO thought may have to manifest itself in that form. Sad really... that it's come to this. But the Country has been down this road before.In 2017 there was a lot of frustration about the difference between the popular vote and the electoral college outcome, the shock of the latter and the sense that Comey and others had put their fingers on the scales against HRC.
This time there is no split in the popular vote and electoral college in terms of the victor. Trump got nearly 50% of the vote and more votes than Harris. Harris was a last second replacement candidate without a meaningful national base of her own and the current POTUS is immensely unpopular. There is no dispute about the outcome, so a lot less energy for a protest of the transfer of power.
And I think there is a general relief that we don’t have to go through another several months of election challenges and lies like in 2020-2021. A lot of the Civil War talk was predicated on a repeat of Trump’s attempt to destroy what he could not control after the last election. Instead, nearly a majority of voters decided to return Trump to power, many because they want what he is promising and I suspect some just to pick a side to make it stop.
There are conspiracy theorists on the left trying to drum up broader support for some idiotic notions of something amiss, but it doesn’t appear to me they are getting much traction.
For my part, I am interested to watch the new government form and see how people react if Trump implements a lot of things people assumed he was not serious about. But I don’t think there is energy in some sort of massive protest because people are exhausted and the ones who felt they were fighting to protect our democratic republic did so out of respect for the system and so respect the outcome even when they don’t respect the winner or his political ideas.
After the election in 2008, the GOP seemed similarly in shambles. But the Tea Party emerged by the Summer of 2009 and began the path to where we find ourselves now. I certainly don’t want to see some liberal mirror image of a Tea Party populist movement, but somewhere along the way, once the GOP takes full control of DC, they’ll eventually own everything that follows. And at some point a resistance coalition will emerge.
But the left really is more of a European coalition of a pretty broad range of political beliefs right now and one in shambles at the moment. So we could be in for a dozen years in the desert like after the 1980 election before some cohesive coalition emerges. Who knows?
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I don't see how the Democratic party can ever be that kind of cohesive coalition for long. Since we don't have a parliamentary system and any third party has heavy sledding ,all the fractious elements are heading there and it's always going to be like herding cats. That's fine by me because I have no more desire for an authoritarian left than I do an authoritarian right. Agreeing to kick the can in generally the same direction is as good as I hope for. Winning elections and getting credit is nice but making real changes are better. As a child of the 50s, I can probably see just how much we've changed since then a little more clearly.
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How exactly did she move for Liz Cheney?
I thought they only embraced Cheney because it demonstrated that trump wasn't a traditional conservative.
In the end the cult didn't want a traditional conservative.