RFK Jr, HHs & Public Health News | Measles outbreak, etc.

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Patb78 said:
I agree. If you think vaccines don’t extend and improve our lives then do one thing. Go to an old cemetery with graves from the late 1700’s to mid 1800’s. Look at how many young people are buried there as compared to cemeteries from today. Certainly young people die today. But the rate is a tiny fraction of what it was back then. Part is improved sanitation, but the lack of vaccines is a bigger reason. Truly tragic people put their children’s lives at risk by not taking advantage of modern medicine .
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You actually only need to go back to 1900. That was about the time that modern sanitation practices were adopted (germ theory of disease is late 1800s) and then you had the discovery on insulin, sulfa drugs and penicillin. Other than smallpox, the first big vaccine I remember was in the early 50s with polio. Before that, the death tolls from disease was horrendous. I think it was turn of the 20th century before the death rate in cities fell below the birthrate. Only people coming to the cities let them grow before.
 
Merged the RFK and Public health threads since they have a lot of overlap
 
finesse said:
You actually only need to go back to 1900. That was about the time that modern sanitation practices were adopted (germ theory of disease is late 1800s) and then you had the discovery on insulin, sulfa drugs and penicillin. Other than smallpox, the first big vaccine I remember was in the early 50s with polio. Before that, the death tolls from disease was horrendous. I think it was turn of the 20th century before the death rate in cities fell below the birthrate. Only people coming to the cities let them grow before.
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You are right. There is a small cemetery in Haw River where my wife’s younger sister is buried. Not far from her grave is a section containing the graves of small children who died in the first decade of the 20th century. There are many, and Haw River isn’t a large community even today. Certainly not back then when all those babies were buried. I’m thinking now what would their parents have given to have access to the medicines we have today. Medicines that are now spurned by so many.
 
Patb78 said:
I agree. If you think vaccines don’t extend and improve our lives then do one thing. Go to an old cemetery with graves from the late 1700’s to mid 1800’s. Look at how many young people are buried there as compared to cemeteries from today. Certainly young people die today. But the rate is a tiny fraction of what it was back then. Part is improved sanitation, but the lack of vaccines is a bigger reason. Truly tragic people put their children’s lives at risk by not taking advantage of modern medicine .
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You don’t even need to go back that far. 1880’s to 1920’s will have lots of graves of those 10 and under.

Edit- I see finesse already mentioned this.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
You don’t even need to go back that far. 1880’s to 1920’s will have lots of graves of those 10 and under.

Edit- I see finesse already mentioned this.
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Yes. I posted in response to finesse about a graveyard here in Alamance County.
 

Trump team weighs pulling funding for Moderna's bird flu shot despite outbreak​



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The Trump administration confirmed it's reviewing whether to pull $590 million in funding that Moderna received in the final days of the Biden administration to develop an mRNA vaccine for bird flu in people.

The big picture: Moderna shares were trading down 5% Thursday morning on news of the review, part of a bigger examination of spending on messenger RNA-based vaccines based on the same technology used in COVID-19 shots, per Bloomberg.

  • The funds awarded in January from the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority were aimed at creating a line of defense against H5N1 in people that matches the strains circulating in cows and birds.
What they're saying: "While it is crucial that the U.S. Department and Health and Human Services support pandemic preparedness, four years of the Biden administration's failed oversight have made it necessary to review agreements for vaccine production," an HHS spokesperson told Axios.”
 
Since the thread on the cancellation of the flu strain selection advisory committee has devolved into a pissing match, I’ll put this here:

FirstWord

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“On Thursday, a spokesperson for the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) confirmed that the meeting had been cancelled. "The FDA will make public its recommendations to manufacturers in time for updated vaccines to be available for the 2025-2026 influenza season," Andrew Nixo said in a statement.”

The entire point of the fucking meeting is to communicate recommendations to manufacturers! Absolutely nonsensical.
 
Measles infection and rheumatoid arthritis (if you aren’t familiar, RA can be brutal)

Measles Contributes to Rheumatoid Arthritis: Evidence from Pathway and Network Analyses of Genome-Wide Association Studies - PMC

Growing evidence from epidemiological studies indicates the association between rheumatoid arthritis (RA) and measles. However, the exact mechanism for this association is still unclear now. We consider that the strong association between both ...
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Measles infection and immune amnesia
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Measles does long-term damage to immune system, studies show

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“After severe measles, children lost a median of 40% (range, 11% to 62%), and after mild measles they lost 33% (range, 12% to 73%), of their total preexisting pathogen-specific antibody repertoires. Paired, healthy controls retained approximately 90% of their repertoires over similar or longer durations.

Mina compared the hit to the immune system to the damage done by HIV.

"If you took all of the immunological memory that HIV tears down when it's untreated for 5 to 10 years, that's what you see after one measles infection," Mina said.”
 
gtyellowjacket said:
The source of that 50% quote is legit. He's a Harvard faculty MD and PhD immunologist. I'd love to see where he came up with it though. That is really hard to believe with TB and smallpox out there.
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Immune amnesia from measles decimates the ability to fight infections such as TB or smallpox. The article says measles infection are implicated in half of childhood.
 


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For years, it’s been used for severe measles cases in children in developing countries, where vitamin deficiencies are common. In those cases, studies have found it can reduce complications and the risk of death, though it’s not seen as a cure for the disease. It’s also been recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the World Health Organization in children hospitalized with measles.

“Virtually, all the studies have been done in resource-limited countries where it does seem to show a significant beneficial effect, and also in those countries, it’s been shown that children with lower levels of vitamin A tend to have more severe measles,” said Dr. Camille Sabella, director of pediatric infectious diseases at Cleveland Clinic Children’s, who added that he welcomed the CDC’s support of vitamin A. …”
 
nycfan said:


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For years, it’s been used for severe measles cases in children in developing countries, where vitamin deficiencies are common. In those cases, studies have found it can reduce complications and the risk of death, though it’s not seen as a cure for the disease. It’s also been recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the World Health Organization in children hospitalized with measles.

“Virtually, all the studies have been done in resource-limited countries where it does seem to show a significant beneficial effect, and also in those countries, it’s been shown that children with lower levels of vitamin A tend to have more severe measles,” said Dr. Camille Sabella, director of pediatric infectious diseases at Cleveland Clinic Children’s, who added that he welcomed the CDC’s support of vitamin A. …”
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Not vaccines. Vitamin A …
 
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