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[gtyellowjacket]

Might not be what you meant to say but it's the only plausible thing you've said. We know he does that. Any of his other claims are highly suspect because of that. Those are ill defined and there is , so far, no evidence that they are working or needed. There is substantial evidence that the entire world has been disrupted and trust us far less for no obvious benefit.

I don't like him bullying smaller countries with tariffs or military threats but there are some pretty obvious short term benefits. That is what makes it scary. Trump gets some wins so he keeps doing it but long term it damages our reputation.

 

[finesse]

I don't like him bullying smaller countries with tariffs or military threats but there are some pretty obvious short term benefits. That is what makes it scary. Trump gets some wins so he keeps doing it but long term it damages our reputation.

What are those benefits? Don't include fulfilling some MAGAt's masturbatory fantasy. Make it something measurable. No,not the fantasy.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

What are those benefits? Don't include fulfilling some MAGAt's masturbatory fantasy. Make it something measurable. No,not the fantasy.

Panama stops cooperation with China's belt and road program. Canada and Mexico increasing their border security. More military spending and commitments to move some chip manufacturing to the US from Taiwan. Columbia taking back its migrants.

 

[finesse]

Panama stops cooperation with China's belt and road program. Canada and Mexico increasing their border security. More military spending and commitments to move some chip manufacturing to the US from Taiwan. Columbia taking back its migrants.

Back that thing up. Any of them. Many of those were already happening like the border security and the Colombians going back. Hell, Mexico had planned on sending more troops than Donnie Bonespur asked for. Iirc, Trump is wasting a whole lot of money in who he's choosing to fly people back.

 

[dukeman92]

Panama stops cooperation with China's belt and road program. Canada and Mexico increasing their border security. More military spending and commitments to move some chip manufacturing to the US from Taiwan. Columbia taking back its migrants.

Mexico & Canada made those commitments before Trump's circus came to town.
I refer you to the chips and science act of 2022.
The United States was flying illegals to Colombia before Trump's circus came to town.
Why would you want MORE military spending while simultaneously opposing us sending help to Ukraine? These kinda things are why nobody takes you trumplicans seriously. You just talk to hear yourselves talk.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Back that thing up. Any of them. Many of those were already happening like the border security and the Colombians going back. Hell, Mexico had planned on sending more troops than Donnie Bonespur asked for. Iirc, Trump is wasting a whole lot of money in who he's choosing to fly people back.

I don't think that is correct. Columbia refused to let two planes carrying migrants land until Trump made his tariff threat.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Mexico & Canada made those commitments before Trump's circus came to town.
I refer you to the chips and science act of 2022.
The United States was flying illegals to Colombia before Trump's circus came to town.
Why would you want MORE military spending while simultaneously opposing us sending help to Ukraine? These kinda things are why nobody takes you trumplicans seriously. You just talk to hear yourselves talk.

I don't oppose sending aid to Ukraine. Best defense money we ever spent. And I don't want more defense spending. I'd like to see it cut significantly while pulling back on some of our overseas military commitments.

 

[finesse]

I don't think that is correct. Columbia refused to let two planes carrying migrants land until Trump made his tariff threat.

You are so blindered and gullible. They refused because Trump had the passengers, even those not convicted of anything, in shackles.

Trump's military deportation flights cost more, carry fewer migrants

The Trump administration has carried out 10 deportations on military planes. The flights cost more and move fewer, an El Paso Times analysis found.

www.elpasotimes.com

The Biden administration carried out 5,518 deportation flights over four years. There were 1,564 deportation flights in the final year of the Biden administration, according to Cartwright.

ICE removed 271,484 non-citizens in fiscal year 2024, a 90% increase over the previous year.

 

[dukeman92]

More military spending and

If you don't want more military spending, then I obviously misinterpreted what you meant here.

I don't think that is correct. Columbia refused to let two planes carrying migrants land until Trump made his tariff threat.

Last year, Colombia received more than 120 deportation flights, but those were charter flights operated by U.S. government contractors.

 

[1moretimeagain]

I don't think that is correct. Columbia refused to let two planes carrying migrants land until Trump made his tariff threat.

lol
“Colombia accepted 475 deportation flights from the U.S. from 2020 to 2024,”

White House says Colombia agrees to take deported migrants after Trump tariff showdown

The White House claimed victory in a showdown with Colombia over accepting flights of deported migrants from the U.S., hours after President Donald Trump threatened steep tariffs.

apnews.com

 

[gtyellowjacket]

If you don't want more military spending, then I obviously misinterpreted what you meant here.



Last year, Colombia received more than 120 deportation flights, but those were charter flights operated by U.S. government contractors.

Yeah. That was referring to other country's (specifically Taiwan in that case) military spending to displace US military commitments defending their countries.

 

[finesse]

Yeah. That was referring to other country's military spending to displace US military commitments defending their countries.

Which started a while back. Still has a way to go but it started about a decade ago with hard numbers on materiel as well as just training and expansion. Trump's action might change the amount spent but he didn't start this. That started under Obama.


"I welcome what [NATO] Secretary General Stoltenberg yesterday called an 'unprecedented rise' in defense spending across our European and Canadian allies, who have added more than $600 billion for defense since the Defense Investment Pledge was made in 2014, including a real increase of 11% in defense spending in 2023 alone," Austin said in today's statement. "The secretary general projects that in 2024, 18 allies will spend at least 2% of their GDP on defense — a major improvement over 2014, when only three hit that target. Any ally not spending at least 2% of GDP on defense this year should have plans to swiftly meet that target."

Austin said he was pleased by the progress the U.S. and allies made at today's meeting of NATO defense ministers in Brussels and underscored the importance of the alliance to U.S. security.

 

[dukeman92]

Yeah. That was referring to other country's (specifically Taiwan in that case) military spending to displace US military commitments defending their countries.

Not every country has the ability to do what we do. Which is part of what helps make us the worlds preeminent super power. Or did. I don't think asking other NATO countries to kick in is an unrealistic ask, as long as we keep that in mind.

Sending Ukraine aid, old stockpiles of weapons, helps to keep our cashe of weapons updated, it keeps Americans employed making new stuff, it furthers our interests abroad while showing our soft power to others and weakens our greatest enemy.

This is something USAID did. Expanded our soft power and protected our interests. None of this is as black and white as Trumplicans paint it.

 

[WaynetheDrain]

Lower spending. The willingness to hold bureaucrats accountable for wasting tax payer funds. The willingness to look at new scientific information and not dismiss it out of hand.

I honestly think if Trump can pull off a significant culling of the bureaucracy without significantly curtailing services, he could be FDR level. But he's Trump so its more likely he blows it and he goes GWB level. But I'm hoping.

Lower spending?

Did you type that with a straight face?

Did you forget that he added 8 trillion dollars to our deficit his first term?

 

[superrific]

Panama stops cooperation with China's belt and road program. Canada and Mexico increasing their border security. More military spending and commitments to move some chip manufacturing to the US from Taiwan. Columbia taking back its migrants.

None of that happened. It's Colombia. Didn't they teach you anything at Georja Tuch?

 

[superrific]

Do you really believe either of those statements are true?

On his first day in office, Trump signed Executive Orders instructing the government to stop working on anything related to race, gender, diversity, climate change, etc. etc. Have you forgotten about that?

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/02/13/nx-s1-5297177/cdc-scientists-publications-trump-administration

What @tech said is true. It wasn't true until last month. This fact will not stop you from JCDing the nonsense.

 

[superrific]

I don't think that is correct. Columbia refused to let two planes carrying migrants land until Trump made his tariff threat.

Colombia. Have some respect.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

Lower spending. The willingness to hold bureaucrats accountable for wasting tax payer funds. The willingness to look at new scientific information and not dismiss it out of hand.

I honestly think if Trump can pull off a significant culling of the bureaucracy without significantly curtailing services, he could be FDR level. But he's Trump so its more likely he blows it and he goes GWB level. But I'm hoping.

 

[UNCatTech]

Do you really believe either of those statements are true?

Well, why would they lie?

I mean I don't vote for liars and con men, so yest I trust those I vote for to do what they say.

But I guess it is hard to believe a habitual liar like trump and his goon. Maybe the courts will prove them to be liars again.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Which started a while back. Still has a way to go but it started about a decade ago with hard numbers on materiel as well as just training and expansion. Trump's action might change the amount spent but he didn't start this. That started under Obama.


"I welcome what [NATO] Secretary General Stoltenberg yesterday called an 'unprecedented rise' in defense spending across our European and Canadian allies, who have added more than $600 billion for defense since the Defense Investment Pledge was made in 2014, including a real increase of 11% in defense spending in 2023 alone," Austin said in today's statement. "The secretary general projects that in 2024, 18 allies will spend at least 2% of their GDP on defense — a major improvement over 2014, when only three hit that target. Any ally not spending at least 2% of GDP on defense this year should have plans to swiftly meet that target."

Austin said he was pleased by the progress the U.S. and allies made at today's meeting of NATO defense ministers in Brussels and underscored the importance of the alliance to U.S. security.

I am not seeing us reducing our overseas defense spending since Obama. Certainly on a dollar for dollar basis as we ended two wars, but the general, let's spend a bunch of money to defend first world countries so they don't have to, I'm not seeing it. If anything, we are increasing commitments more with expanding NATO and checking China.