Roy Cooper makes it official

[rodoheel]

Statehood for DC and Puerto Rico
Pack the court
Abolish ICE
Defund the police

You largely just proved my point. Who in Congress have you heard advocate for those any time recently?

Also, what do you find to be “radical” about DC and PR statehood? Do you not find it odd that there are so many US citizens who aren’t represented by any senator?

 

[Calheel]

You largely just proved my point. Who in Congress have you heard advocate for those any time recently?

Also, what do you find to be “radical” about DC and PR statehood? Do you not find it odd that there are so many US citizens who aren’t represented by any senator?

It’s “radical” because it violates the Alaska-Hawaii precedent. You can’t add a democratic state unless you add a republican state. Unfortunately, we are all out of Alaska’s. Maybe we could make eastern Oregon and eastern Washington as states to offset it.

 

[Duke Mu]

And it was a practice Trump had. That’s how incompetent the Dem counterarguement was

With Kamal simply affirming that she would follow the law that the Trump admin. had created. Dems never really counterpunched the tranny narratives.

Trump as a rapist and pedo would have worked.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

You largely just proved my point. Who in Congress have you heard advocate for those any time recently?

Also, what do you find to be “radical” about DC and PR statehood? Do you not find it odd that there are so many US citizens who aren’t represented by any senator?

Jayapal has been losing her mind about ICE as recently as like last week.

 

[Duke Mu]

It’s “radical” because it violates the Alaska-Hawaii precedent. You can’t add a democratic state unless you add a republican state. Unfortunately, we are all out of Alaska’s. Maybe we could make eastern Oregon and eastern Washington as states to offset it.

The first Governor of Alaska, William Egan was a Democrat. Senator Ernest Gruening was a Democrat. Sen. Bob Bartlett was also a Democrat.

 

[JCTarheel82]

Preventing ICE from detaining or deporting US citizens is a radical perspective now?

 

[Duke Mu]

Jayapal has been losing her mind about ICE as recently as like last week.

She's correct on all points. I don't agree with a significant amount of Jayapal's views. But ICE is out of control. At best, ICE has become a wild west vigilante group.

 

[Duke Mu]

Preventing ICE from detaining and deporting US citizens is a radical perspective now?

IKR?

 

[HeelYeah2012]

Preventing ICE from detaining or deporting US citizens is a radical perspective now?

She doesn’t need to “introduce legislation” to make that illegal. It’s already quite illegal. Lol.

 

[farce©]

She doesn’t need to “introduce legislation” to make that illegal. It’s already quite illegal. Lol.

Yet it’s happening and she’s shining a light on it.

 

[rodoheel]

Jayapal has been losing her mind about ICE as recently as like last week.

Once again proving my point. Not even Jayapsl, who is a fairly isolated radical on the left edge of the party, is advocating for legislation abolishing ICE. In fact it’s pretty shocking that you find anything about the tweet you quoted to be radical at all. Are you in favor of ICE being able to deport US citizens?

As usual you have constructed some strawman in your head that you have no choice but to (reluctantly, you swear) vote for republicans in federal races because if Democrats win back congressional control they will no doubt do all sorts of radical things. And you will resist all attempts to point out that this strawman has little basis in fact. All while ignoring the actually radical things Trump does or threatens to do daily.

 

[rodoheel]

She doesn’t need to “introduce legislation” to make that illegal. It’s already quite illegal. Lol.

So your argument is that your supposed example of radical rhetoric is not even radical at all? Great point!

 

[HeelYeah2012]

So your argument is that your supposed example of radical rhetoric is not even radical at all? Great point!

She has advocated for abolishing ICE in the past. The tweet I shared was just her recent overreaction from a week ago. A lot of the Loony Left boldly advocated for abolishing ICE in 2018. And now as recently as a week ago she refers to ICE as “rogue”

 

[farce©]

She has advocated for abolishing ICE in the past. The tweet I shared was just her recent overreaction from a week ago. A lot of the Loony Left boldly advocated for abolishing ICE in 2018. And now as recently as a week ago she refers to ICE as “rogue”

Well if they are detaining or deporting US citizens, which you say is already illegal, then they are rogue, correct?

 

[Milk and Cookies]

Why isn't your litmus test for candidates-- if you support deporting US citizens (which you admit is illegal) you're looney? Isn't that a more radical and dangerous position to take in a democratic republic?

 

[SnoopRob]

Preventing ICE from detaining or deporting US citizens is a radical perspective now?

When extremism has taken over a group, centrism will seem like extremism to them.

 

[SnoopRob]

I am always amused when a whole bunch of y'all act like HeelYeah is a rational being on political issues.

Yes, he presents better than ramrouser or calla, but he's no less taken by propaganda or bigotry than they are. He just hides it better.

 

[HeelInTheOzarks]

Immigrants = bad, therefore ICE = always good, and anyone that criticizes ICE also = bad.

Just how that train of thought always goes.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

I thought Cunningham was lacking significantly in charisma and was not a good communicator. I remember him doing terribly in his debate with Tillis as well. It was really bad.

True, and he turned out to be a terrible candidate. And yet with all that and even after his extramarital affair was exposed before the election he still only lost by less than two percent, and might well have won had the affair not happened (my god, how stupid and arrogant he was). NC Democrats have not done themselves any favors with candidates like Edwards, Cunningham, Beasley, and Hagan (who was a decent senator but a weak candidate). Cooper will almost certainly be a stronger candidate than any of those folks, he was a popular governor, and he's never lost a campaign.

OTOH, he will be running against a very formidable state GOP machine and any GOP candidate not named Mark Robinson will automatically be highly competitive as they will have the magic (R) next to their name, and they can count on running up a lopsided advantage in the state's rural areas and small towns. For Cooper to win he'll have to cut into that GOP edge to some extent, and he'll need a big turnout in the state's urban areas. IMO, it's certainly doable and he's done it several times before, but there's certainly no guarantee of victory and it won't be easy - in North Carolina Democrats never have it easy, unless they're lucky enough to run against Mark Robinson.

 

[SnoopRob]

Cooper will almost certainly be a stronger candidate than any of those folks, he was a popular governor, and he's never lost a campaign. OTOH, he will be running against a very formidable state GOP machine and any GOP candidate not named Mark Robinson will automatically be highly competitive as they will have the magic (R) next to their name, and they can count on running up a lopsided advantage in the state's rural areas and small towns. For Cooper to win he'll have to cut into that GOP edge to some extent, and he'll need a big turnout in the state's urban areas. IMO, it's certainly doable and he's done it several times before, but it won't be easy - in North Carolina Democrats never have it easy, unless you're lucky enough to run against Mark Robinson.

If Cooper wins, it will be because (IMHO) he does well in the suburbs where a lot of folks don't necessarily trust Dems but they aren't necessarily crazy about MAGA, either. A lot of those folks are persuaded to vote Pub because they don't always like what Dems stand for at the national level, but if Cooper can convince them he'll be an actual centrist Dem, they could very well vote for him against a Trump-aligned Republican.