Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations” | Limited Infrastructure Ceasefire fails(?)

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Does anyone really think this is going to be a serious peace negotiation? Ukraine's task is to simply string this negotiation along and keep U.S. aid flowing.
 


The Black Sea has been a graveyard for the Russian navy.

“… Both statements also said that Russia and Ukraine would stop striking each other's energy facilities. …”
 
Healing said:
Nope, he is not. These folks are functionally Putin apparatchiks. Beyond nuking mar a lago, I’m not sure there’s a thing Putin could do they wouldn’t whitewash.
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Very specifically, what is he saying that you don't agree with?

Russia has always wanted territories that are majority Russian and they have always wanted a puppet state in Ukraine as a buffer against the 9th or maybe 10th invasion of Russia by the west. If they can't get a puppet state that they control, they at least want to buffer state that doesn't have NATO troops. I don't know why NATO thought a peacekeeping force full of Western countries was going to fly. That's not some crazy theory.
 
nycfan said:
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Russia wants sanctions relief so they can sell energy resources just slightly easier to Europe in exchange for the West getting easier access to energy resources from Russia.

It will be really interesting when they do the case studies on Western sanctions. They haven't been particularly effective at hurting the Russian economy but at the same time Russia and Europe are eager to see them go. It's hurting somebody. My guess is it's the billionaires that had their assets seized.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Very specifically, what is he saying that you don't agree with?

Russia has always wanted territories that are majority Russian and they have always wanted a puppet state in Ukraine as a buffer against the 9th or maybe 10th invasion of Russia by the west. If they can't get a puppet state that they control, they at least want to buffer state that doesn't have NATO troops. I don't know why NATO thought a peacekeeping force full of Western countries was going to fly. That's not some crazy theory.
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1. He said he trusts Putin's honesty and good faith. That alone is enough to disqualify him.
2. I've always wanted a Ferrari too. It doesn't mean I get to steal one, and then keep it and suffer no consequences for it. Actually I don't want a Ferrari but you get the point.
3. Ninth or tenth invasion? Oh, give me a break. More propaganda, I see. There have been three major invasions from the West in its modern history. That's three more than some countries over that time period, but it's less than invasions of other places in Europe.
4. And just because the country fears invasion doesn't give them any expectation of having a "buffer." They get to use other countries the way Elon uses his kid on his shoulders? No, no, no.

I personally don't care much about whether Ukraine should be in NATO. But your Russian-washing of history and various apologia require correction. When you're both siding Putin, you really need to get yourself examined.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Very specifically, what is he saying that you don't agree with?

Russia has always wanted territories that are majority Russian and they have always wanted a puppet state in Ukraine as a buffer against the 9th or maybe 10th invasion of Russia by the west. If they can't get a puppet state that they control, they at least want to buffer state that doesn't have NATO troops. I don't know why NATO thought a peacekeeping force full of Western countries was going to fly. That's not some crazy theory.
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Putin’s own words make clear that he sees all of Ukraine as a part of Russia, that Ukraine has no right to exist. What more needs to be said?
 
gt, I don’t feel a need to justify the obvious, particularly to bad-faith doublespeak bootlickers.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Putin’s own words make clear that he sees all of Ukraine as a part of Russia, that Ukraine has no right to exist. What more needs to be said?
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I think a fair amount of that is internal politics. Russia already tried to have an empire. It didn't work. Putin went through the collapse.

I'm sure Putin would love to control Ukraine by appointing their leaders, getting some sweetheart mineral rights deals and making sure that they didn't get too friendly with the West, but I don't think Putin's dumb enough to want to occupy a country with 30 million people that don't like him.
 
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