BlooVooDoo
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MendotoManteo
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Galaxy brain deal maker not exactly making great deals here.
Shocking, I know.
Shocking, I know.
There are times that I have to wonder just how smart Putin really is. He was dumb enough to leave 300 billion in Western banks. And you would think he'd be rushing to take advantage of having an American President who would certainly give him a great peace deal.
All I can figure is that he thinks he can have peace whenever he wants it, so why stop the war a minute before he has too.
All I can figure is that he thinks he can have peace whenever he wants it, so why stop the war a minute before he has too.
BlooVooDoo
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Trump already gave him what he wants - American abandonment of Ukraine.
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"... Trump has said he is frustrated with Russia for stalling over a cease-fire that Ukraine already agreed to, but gave no indication that he was preparing to pressure the Kremlin, for instance by increasing sanctions. The Trump administration has also appeared to favor Russia by sparing it from a recent round of trade tariffs and echoing some of the Kremlin’s views.
“We’re talking to Russia. I’d like them to stop. I don’t like the bombing. The bombing goes on and on and…Every week thousands of young people are being killed,” Trump told reporters Sunday, before repeating his claim that the war wouldn’t have started if he had been president.
The Kremlin, for its part, said Monday that President Vladimir Putin supported the idea of a cease-fire, but that a series of issues needed addressing.
“These questions are hanging in the air, and no one has given an answer to them yet,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters, state news agencies reported.
Peskov listed some of them, including limiting the strength of Ukraine’s military. Moscow has demanded sweeping concessions from Ukraine, including ceding territory and giving up efforts to integrate with the West.
Zelensky expressed dismay at the muted U.S. response to the Friday strike on the city of Kryviy Rih, his hometown. ..."
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There's also the considerable factor of Putin's personality. He likes to crush and humiliate his opponents just like Trump (in fact, Trump has probably been emulating him, perhaps on VVP's suggestion, for years). I'm sure Putin gets more enjoyment out of owning the US president than anything else in his entire life. So why not milk it?
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Two Chinese citizens captured during fighting in eastern Ukraine, Zelenskyy says
The Ukraine president has ordered officials to get an explanation from Beijing.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy says two Chinese citizens have been captured while fighting in eastern Ukraine.
He said his forces had fought six Chinese soldiers and two of them had been taken prisoner. He added he had ordered officials to obtain an explanation from Beijing.
"We have information that there are many more Chinese citizens in the occupier's units than just two. We are now finding out all the facts," he added.
As it happened: Zelenskyy demands reaction from US
China is an ally of Russia and has been accused of helping its war in Ukraine, though Beijing has repeatedly denied allegations that it has supplied Kremlin forces with weapons.
"Russia's involvement of China in this war in Europe, directly or indirectly, is a clear signal that Putin is going to do anything but end the war," Mr Zelenskyy said. "He is looking for ways to continue the war."
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Two Chinese citizens captured during fighting in eastern Ukraine, Zelenskyy says
The Ukraine president has ordered officials to get an explanation from Beijing.news.sky.com
Volodymyr Zelenskyy says two Chinese citizens have been captured while fighting in eastern Ukraine.
He said his forces had fought six Chinese soldiers and two of them had been taken prisoner. He added he had ordered officials to obtain an explanation from Beijing.
"We have information that there are many more Chinese citizens in the occupier's units than just two. We are now finding out all the facts," he added.
As it happened: Zelenskyy demands reaction from US
China is an ally of Russia and has been accused of helping its war in Ukraine, though Beijing has repeatedly denied allegations that it has supplied Kremlin forces with weapons.
"Russia's involvement of China in this war in Europe, directly or indirectly, is a clear signal that Putin is going to do anything but end the war," Mr Zelenskyy said. "He is looking for ways to continue the war."
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I’m sure Trump will immediately impose additional economic sanctions on China. Maybe he will increase their 104% tariffs.Two Chinese citizens captured during fighting in eastern Ukraine, Zelenskyy says
The Ukraine president has ordered officials to get an explanation from Beijing.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy says two Chinese citizens have been captured while fighting in eastern Ukraine.
He said his forces had fought six Chinese soldiers and two of them had been taken prisoner. He added he had ordered officials to obtain an explanation from Beijing.
"We have information that there are many more Chinese citizens in the occupier's units than just two. We are now finding out all the facts," he added.
As it happened: Zelenskyy demands reaction from US
China is an ally of Russia and has been accused of helping its war in Ukraine, though Beijing has repeatedly denied allegations that it has supplied Kremlin forces with weapons.
"Russia's involvement of China in this war in Europe, directly or indirectly, is a clear signal that Putin is going to do anything but end the war," Mr Zelenskyy said. "He is looking for ways to continue the war."
Milk and Cookies
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Putin doesn't want a peace deal. He wants Ukraine.
Yes he does want Ukraine. But if he is smart, which I doubt, he would see he isn't going to get Ukraine by himself. He needs outside help, like from Trump. So he's not exactly kissing up to Trump which should be step number one.
I shouldn't have said "peace deal" and just said "great deal".
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I guess what I'm saying is for Putin the math made sense to him to invade even when Biden was in office organizing a collective opposition. Now with Trump removing the US from the equation the math would only make even more sense to keep invading and gobbling territory. Nothing Trump is doing is encouraging Putin to seek peace -- its literally the opposite. He's making it easier on Putin to keep fighting.
I think my original post was about just how smart Putin really is, which I started with questioning his lack of due diligence with not pulling his money out of Western banks when he had the chance. I don't think it can be argued that Putin seems a bit isolated and doesn't get quality information from the yes people he has surrounded himself with. Which may explain some things.
Therefore, as you say he may indeed think he can grab more land, but from what I am seeing he doesn't fully comprehend the trouble his economy is in nor does he seem to appreciate just how beat up his military is. You are correct that Trump is making it easier for Putin to keep fighting. I agree with that. My original post was focused more on Putin and not Trump.
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“… In the midst of all this supposed peacemaking, Vladimir Putin gave no indications that he wants anything but more war. On March 27, he made a televised visit to the nuclear-powered submarine Arkhangelsk, during which he not only reiterated his claims about Volodymyr Zelensky being an “illegitimate” president because of the canceled elections in Ukraine (as constitutionally mandated in wartime) but also asserted that all of the Ukrainian government lacks legitimacy and that the real power in Ukraine is now in the hands of armed neo-Nazi groups.
The solution, he said, was to place Ukraine under the “temporary administration” of the United Nations and the United States (and maybe even the Europeans), hold “democratic elections,” and establish “a competent government that enjoys public trust” and can be a legitimate negotiating partner.
… For good measure, Putin also saber-rattled about the Russian navy’s nuclear prowess and insisted that Russia was clearly winning in Ukraine: “Our troops have the strategic initiative along the entire contact line. I just recently said, ‘We’ll grind them down’; there are reasons to believe we’ll finish them off.”
… The Trump administration temporarily lifted sanctions on high-level Putin adviser Kirill Dmitriev so that he could come to Washington for talks last week. The talks, however, reportedly focused primarily on avenues of Russian-American cooperation while leaving Ukraine on the back burner.
And right after Dmitriev’s visit, Russia escalated its attacks on Ukrainian residential neighborhoods. In Kryvyi Rih, a missile supposedly targeting military personnel hit a playground, killing nine children and eleven adults. According to Ukrainian journalist Ihor Yakovenko, Russian strikes on Ukrainian cities are up 52 percent since the start of the negotiations.
Trump’s reaction to the latest attacks? “We’re talking to Russia. We’d like them to stop. I don’t like the bombing.”
And: “I’m not happy about what's going on with the bombing because they’re bombing like crazy right now. . . . I don’t know what’s happening there.”
In a scathing commentary, Russian-Ukrainian radio host and YouTuber Matvey Ganapolsky dismissed these words as “pathetic babbling” after all the threats of “scary sanctions” if Russia undermined the peace talks. He also flatly concluded, “There will be no peace.” …”
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Trump Envoy Witkoff Arrives in Russia as U.S. Pushes for Peace in Ukraine
Visit comes after Trump expressed frustration with Moscow for delaying peace talks
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“… Witkoff arrived in St. Petersburg on Friday where Russian President Vladimir Putin is holding a meeting with the Russian navy. Witkoff has previously traveled to Russia twice this year to meet with Putin. The Kremlin didn’t confirm whether the two would meet but Witkoff met with a Russian negotiator.
… Trump has in recent weeks shown frustration with Moscow for delaying peace talks. Ukraine has signaled its willingness to agree to a 30-day cease-fire if Russia reciprocates, as discussed in recent talks with U.S. officials. Russia, though, has rebuffed the cease-fire call and slow-walked talks, playing for time to capitalize on its battlefield advances and secure maximum concessions in negotiations.
The Kremlin has instead been touting Washington’s apparent interest in normalizing relations and proposing economic deals between the two countries while putting up conditions for any truce with Kyiv, including lifting of some economic sanctions. …”
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Trump is so frustrated with Russia that he put tariffs on Ukraine (but not Russia or Belarus) … while lifting some sanctions on Russia and Russians.
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Trump is the real Manchurian Candidate and now Putin's POTUS/BOTTOM/SUB.