Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations” | Trump turns on Zelensky (again)

[IllegalMotion9999]

Still trying to put the puzzle pieces together. Feels like the Summit between Trump and NATO leaders did not go well at all a few months ago. We will likely never know what was said behind closed doors. But it just seems that Trump told Europe its on its own for the most part dealing with Russia.

 

[mpaer]

Still trying to put the puzzle pieces together. Feels like the Summit between Trump and NATO leaders did not go well at all a few months ago. We will likely never know what was said behind closed doors. But it just seems that Trump told Europe its on its own for the most part dealing with Russia.

The pee tapes?

 

[Zoo_View]

In other words, under my Administration, Ukraine is fucked.

 

[BlueSmoke]

Still trying to put the puzzle pieces together. Feels like the Summit between Trump and NATO leaders did not go well at all a few months ago. We will likely never know what was said behind closed doors. But it just seems that Trump told Europe its on its own for the most part dealing with Russia.

There are no puzzle pieces left for Europe to put together. Trump's new 33 page National Security Strategy document tells Europe where it stands..........and its not ahead of Russia in Trump's American eyes.

The only good thing about it, is that Europe knows it has no choice but to stand firm with Ukraine. If Ukraine falls, Europe is next.

 

[heelinhell]

Somewhere Neville Chamberlain is saying to the Donald, " Don't be a dumb fuck and make the same mistake I did. "

 

[evrheel]

There are no puzzle pieces left for Europe to put together. Trump's new 33 page National Security Strategy document tells Europe where it stands..........and its not ahead of Russia in Trump's American eyes.

The only good thing about it, is that Europe knows it has no choice but to stand firm with Ukraine. If Ukraine falls, Europe is next.

unlikely to be true
Baltics maybe

 

[BlueSmoke]

unlikely to be true
Baltics maybe

I thought the Baltic States were Europe, if that's what you mean? And even if not an actual physical attack, there would be numerous ways a Russia with a puppet Ukraine could cause Europe problems. Heck, there's already drone stuff going on in Europe that is suspected to be Russian.

 

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[IllegalMotion9999]

Germany is deploying troops to Poland to defend the eastern borders.
Hard to believe given historical context. Of course, Poland was brutalized by both Germany and Russia in WW2.

 

[Zoo_View]

Germany is deploying troops to Poland to defend the eastern borders.
Hard to believe given historical context. Of course, Poland was brutalized by both Germany and Russia in WW2.

“Don’t worry, Poland. This is purely defensive.”

 

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Europe to Lend $105 Billion to Ukraine, Without Touching Russian Funds​

European Union officials wanted to use Russia’s frozen assets to back a major loan to Ukraine. Facing opposition in their own camp, they settled on another way.

Europe to Lend $105 Billion to Ukraine, Without Touching Russian Funds

European Union officials wanted to use Russia’s frozen assets to back a major loan to Ukraine. Facing opposition in their own camp, they settled on another way.

www.nytimes.com

“… That ambitious frozen-asset plan was killed at the 11th hour as European heads of state and government met in Brussels — a show of division that risked making the European Union appear indecisive at a key moment.

Instead, European leaders announced that they will funnel money to Ukraine with a loan backed by the E.U. budget. Because the plan does not leverage the large stash of Russian savings immobilized in Europe, it is likely to cost more and could prove more difficult to quickly scale up than the original idea.

… But the idea of such a loan was always risky: Russia is already taking legal action over what it paints as the unlawful seizure of its assets. After weeks of back-and-forth, Belgium — where most of the assets frozen in Europe are held — remained unconvinced headed into Thursday’s meeting, worried that it could be on the hook for Russian retaliation.

The guarantees that Belgium demanded to protect against that threat, however, proved too much for some other European countries to quickly accept….”

 

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Europe to Lend $105 Billion to Ukraine, Without Touching Russian Funds​

European Union officials wanted to use Russia’s frozen assets to back a major loan to Ukraine. Facing opposition in their own camp, they settled on another way.

Europe to Lend $105 Billion to Ukraine, Without Touching Russian Funds

European Union officials wanted to use Russia’s frozen assets to back a major loan to Ukraine. Facing opposition in their own camp, they settled on another way.

www.nytimes.com

“… That ambitious frozen-asset plan was killed at the 11th hour as European heads of state and government met in Brussels — a show of division that risked making the European Union appear indecisive at a key moment.

Instead, European leaders announced that they will funnel money to Ukraine with a loan backed by the E.U. budget. Because the plan does not leverage the large stash of Russian savings immobilized in Europe, it is likely to cost more and could prove more difficult to quickly scale up than the original idea.

… But the idea of such a loan was always risky: Russia is already taking legal action over what it paints as the unlawful seizure of its assets. After weeks of back-and-forth, Belgium — where most of the assets frozen in Europe are held — remained unconvinced headed into Thursday’s meeting, worried that it could be on the hook for Russian retaliation.

The guarantees that Belgium demanded to protect against that threat, however, proved too much for some other European countries to quickly accept….”

I read this as a serious commitment by Europe on a couple of fronts. Upfront it obviously keeps the lights on. But less obviously it show serious commitment by Europe to an independent Ukraine. Meaning that if Ukraine goes away, Europe is left holding a 100 billion dollar bag. That's real skin in the game.