Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations” | Witkoff advising Russians how to play Trump

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Ramrouser said:
Maybe Z will now stop listening to his Dem allies; get on the phone and apologize to Trump so the deal can get signed; and get the process back on track.

It’s the only path forward for Ukraine.
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Lololol do you realize how even more pathetic than usual you are making Trump look by saying that the only path forward for one of our democratic allies is for their leader to get on the phone and apologize because the POTUS had a temper tantrum that would embarrass even a toddler?

Good Lord, how is MAGA so soft.
 
Ramrouser said:
Maybe Z will now stop listening to his Dem allies; get on the phone and apologize to Trump so the deal can get signed; and get the process back on track.

It’s the only path forward for Ukraine.
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Right. Z is the problem. Where do you get this shit? Never mind. I know where you get it.

Would you sign a deal with Trump? Deals mean nothing to him. In four hours, he's going to destroy the US Canada Mexico trade agreement HE FUCKING NEGOTIATED AND SIGNED IN HIS FIRST TERM.

He pulled the US out of the WHO for no reason. He's been cancelling contracts left and right, usually for no reason. There are American organizations going bankrupt because Trump has decided to withhold funds for no reason (and with no legal authority).

What on Earth would make you think he would honor any part of that deal. Signing a contract with Trump is to give him a free option on your dime. I wouldn't sign a contract with that piece of shit ever.

And the "minerals deal" did nothing for Ukraine anyway. It was just a shakedown. This is the "I'm going to burn down your bar because you didn't pay my mafia tax" stage.
 
Yes, he should do that as soon as Trump apologizes to the world for being such a petulant child and asshole

Trump should also apologize to every American for knocking us off as the world leader for Democracy, a position we had held for nearly a century.

Zelensky is too smart to make any deal with Trump. It is obvious to anyone wirh any sense, that Trump wants to give as much of Ukraine as his buddy Put8n can claim right now. He is also going to cut off funding no matter what.

Trump's antics are nothing more than to feed the ignorant mouth breathing MAGAts.

As a true Republican, and not a clown cultist, we should NEVER side with Russia. Hell, we were worried about doing so even against Nazi Germany. MAGA is not Republican. It is a collection of the dumbest among us.
 
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ChileG said:
Apologize for what?
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For Z’s disrespectful conduct (interrupting the POTUS, eye rolling, calling JD a “bitch”, no thank you, and failure to wear a suit when specifically asked to do so). He also needs to apologize for listening to Murphy and taking his advice.
 
Ramrouser said:
For Z’s disrespectful conduct (interrupting the POTUS, eye rolling, calling JD a “bitch”, no thank you, and failure to wear a suit when specifically asked to do so). He also needs to apologize for listening to Murphy and taking his advice.
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You know, I like you. So I’m just not going to respond to these posts any more.
 
If you visit someone’s home and they ask you to remove your shoes upon entering, you do it. Z showed no respect to the President and the decorum inside the Oval Office. His attire was just one example of his disrespect.

It’s not soft. Reagan wouldn’t even take off his jacket in the Oval and would have had Z promptly removed upon observing his attire.
 
Ramrouser said:
If you visit someone’s home and they ask you to remove your shoes upon entering, you do it. Z showed no respect to the President and the decorum inside the Oval Office. His attire was just one example of his disrespect.

It’s not soft. Reagan wouldn’t even take off his jacket in the Oval and would have had Z promptly removed upon observing his attire.
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Your point would be better taken if Trump's handler, President Musk, wasn't routinely wearing tshirts and ball caps inside the Oval, while dragging his snot-nosed kid along to boot.

Why don't you hold President Musk to the same standard as President Zelensky?
 
Musk is a fair point but….Musk is not in the Oval asking for anything. Z is a foreign leader who’s visiting the office of his Country’s benefactor who’s received billions in aid and is asking for the US’s security guarantee.
 
Ramrouser said:
Musk is a fair point but….Musk is not in the Oval asking for anything. Z is a foreign leader who’s visiting the office of his Country’s benefactor who’s received billions in aid and is asking for the US’s security guarantee.
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No, Musk is just in the Oval Office working to rip away employment, health care, veterans benefits, and more from millions of American citizens. The least he could do is wear a suit and leave his kid at daycare.
 
Ramrouser said:
Musk is a fair point but….Musk is not in the Oval asking for anything. Z is a foreign leader who’s visiting the office of his Country’s benefactor who’s received billions in aid and is asking for the US’s security guarantee.
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And not giving his country any of that, just because Z didn't wear a suit, is absolutely loco.

BTW, how many suits do the sheikhs and emirs wear when they visit? Oh.

www.nytimes.com

Saudi Prince’s White House Visit Reinforces Trump’s Commitment to Heir Apparent (Published 2018)

The president has lavished praise on Mohammed bin Salman, who has rapidly consolidated his position as Saudi Arabia’s heir apparent.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Ramrouser said:
Musk is a fair point but….Musk is not in the Oval asking for anything. Z is a foreign leader who’s visiting the office of his Country’s benefactor who’s received billions in aid and is asking for the US’s security guarantee.
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Elon has asked for and received quite a bit over the years.

Ukraine has received 66 billion since 2022.


Musk’s companies have received 38 billion

 
Ramrouser said:
If you visit someone’s home and they ask you to remove your shoes upon entering, you do it. Z showed no respect to the President and the decorum inside the Oval Office. His attire was just one example of his disrespect.

It’s not soft. Reagan wouldn’t even take off his jacket in the Oval and would have had Z promptly removed upon observing his attire.
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I hope I am never more concerned with appearance than with substance. I hope I am never blind to suffering because of informality. I hope I never ignore another's need because of my own insecurity. I hope I never forsake what is right for what is trivial.
 
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