Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations” | Witkoff advising Russians how to play Trump

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Corruption issues are weakening Zelensky’s ability to negotiate a resolution to the war.
 
BlueSmoke said:
Ukraine was offered a deal........by Russia? A deal that Russia had signed off on during this current phrase of the war (since February 2022)? I don't remember any deal from Russia that didn't involve Ukraine giving up more territory then Russia had taken.
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They were negotiating a deal but both sides had agreed to no territorial swaps. There were other things that Ukraine and Russia were still not able to agree to. Ukraine walked away before a final deal could be completed. Seemed like a good idea at the time but that decision will probably end up costing them a significant amount of territory and a large number of their citizens.

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What happened the last time Russia and Ukraine held peace talks?

A guide to what was on the table back in 2022.
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WHY should Ukraine give up territory for peace? That’s pandering to terrorism. It should be Russia having to pay reparations or Ukraine becomes part of NATO. Putin is leveraging off of war crimes and threats of escalation. He doesn’t want a nuclear conflict over some territory in Ukraine.
 
mynameisbond said:
WHY should Ukraine give up territory for peace? That’s pandering to terrorism. It should be Russia having to pay reparations or Ukraine becomes part of NATO. Putin is leveraging off of war crimes and threats of escalation. He doesn’t want a nuclear conflict over some territory in Ukraine.
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Because they can’t win the land back and Putin won’t negotiate it away. So what’s left?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
They were negotiating a deal but both sides had agreed to no territorial swaps. There were other things that Ukraine and Russia were still not able to agree to. Ukraine walked away before a final deal could be completed. Seemed like a good idea at the time but that decision will probably end up costing them a significant amount of territory and a large number of their citizens.

www.reuters.com

What happened the last time Russia and Ukraine held peace talks?

A guide to what was on the table back in 2022.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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This failed negotiation pretty much proves the war is not really about land. Its about a permanent peace. Two different things. Putin/Russia is not willing to do permanent peace. Therefore, I can't think of any reason the Ukrainian people should negotiate something where a permanent peace is not included.
 
Avdiivka fell in February 2024. So what major points or cities have fallen since then? How much territory has Russia taken since then? Perhaps 1% to 2%.

Both sides have changed their approach to front line fighting since that time. Ukraine employs a Skeleton defense in most areas. That's four to seven men per kilometer. Now I am sure there are more in the hotly contested areas. But you would think if its about territory that Ukraine would invest more in the front lines.

Now what is Russia doing to advance against such weakness? It no longer uses many direct attacks. Its mostly sneak and infiltrate under the cover of fog or bad weather the lightly defended Ukrainian positions. Gain a little for Russia. Then when weather offers cover again, Ukraine brings in a few extra troops and moves back in and cleans out the Russians. This pattern has been going on for at least the last six months.

The point is that Russia really isn't gaining much. Wars of this type are not won or settled by how many battles or land is lost. They end by exhaustion. And Russia's inability to advance in a meaningful way, is very telling and informative.
 
BlueSmoke said:
Avdiivka fell in February 2024. So what major points or cities have fallen since then? How much territory has Russia taken since then? Perhaps 1% to 2%.

Both sides have changed their approach to front line fighting since that time. Ukraine employs a Skeleton defense in most areas. That's four to seven men per kilometer. Now I am sure there are more in the hotly contested areas. But you would think if its about territory that Ukraine would invest more in the front lines.

Now what is Russia doing to advance against such weakness? It no longer uses many direct attacks. Its mostly sneak and infiltrate under the cover of fog or bad weather the lightly defended Ukrainian positions. Gain a little for Russia. Then when weather offers cover again, Ukraine brings in a few extra troops and moves back in and cleans out the Russians. This pattern has been going on for at least the last six months.

The point is that Russia really isn't gaining much. Wars of this type are not won or settled by how many battles or land is lost. They end by exhaustion. And Russia's inability to advance in a meaningful way, is very telling and informative.
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Which army you reckon is more susceptible to exhaustion?

The best argument I’ve seen is we give Ukraine the Tomahawks etc and they take out Russia’s energy infrastructure. That would reset the dynamic, especially domestically in Russia.
 
Method of playing Trump is well known... bend the knee and kiss the ass. Trump, himself, admits it. The Guardian, April 9, 2025- "Donald Trump bragged about countries 'kissing my ass' to negotiate tariffs during a dinner for Republicans on Tuesday". Dignity of the Oval Office is in good hands ;)
 
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