Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Musk blames Ukraine for attack on X now (after previously suggesting that a hacktivist collective (with known Russian connections) that took credit for the attack (but has sought credit for attacks they didn’t do before) seemed related somehow to George Soros.

 
nycfan said:
Musk blames Ukraine for attack on X now (after previously suggesting that a hacktivist collective (with known Russian connections) that took credit for the attack (but has sought credit for attacks they didn’t do before) seemed related somehow to George Soros.

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They are just trying to make excuses for when they aid Russia. We are in big trouble
 
StrangePackage said:
There were numerous reports from the first Trump administration that whoever spoke to him last was the most convincing person.
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I think that's some of what is going on, but I think there's something more. This flip-flopping is not being caused by internal dissension. It doesn't make any sense. Like, even suppose there was someone in the adminstration pushing back on tariffs -- no idea who that would be, as there don't seem to be any good candidates. In any case, if you were anti-tariff, you would be economically rational, which would mean you were anti-uncertainty. If I was advising the president, even though I hate the tariffs, I would advise to stick with them for a while. Even worse than tariffs is the specter of arbitrary policy hanging over everything all the time.

So I think everyone in the WH is pushing tariffs right now, for different reasons. Or I should say, nobody is pushing back.

I think the big factor is Elon. Elon is telling Trump, "it's OK to fuck things up, you just put it back to where it was." "course correct."
 

U.S. to Restore Military Support to Ukraine After It Agrees to Cease-Fire​

The truce, which is contingent on Russian acceptance, was outlined in a statement issued by Ukraine and the U.S. as officials met in Saudi Arabia​


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“The Trump administration said it would immediately lift a pause on intelligence sharing and military support to Ukraine, as Kyiv agreed to implement a 30-day cease-fire in top level talks with U.S. officials.

The plan, which is contingent on Russian acceptance, was outlined in a statement issued by Ukraine and the U.S.

“Today we made an offer which the Ukrainians have accepted, which is to enter into a cease-fire and into immediate negotiations to end this conflict in a way that’s enduring and sustainable and accounts for their interests, their security, their ability to prosper as a nation,” said Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

“We will take this offer now to the Russians and we hope that they’ll say ‘yes,’ that they’ll say ‘yes’ to peace. The ball is now in their court,” he added.

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Though Zelensky has signaled that he is prepared to conclude an accord on sharing Ukraine’s mineral wealth with the U.S., that agreement hasn’t so far been completed and isn’t expected to be the centerpiece of Tuesday’s meeting.

“It’s an important topic, but it’s not the main topic on the agenda,” Rubio said. …”
 
Also, Trump could have just asked Z for a cease-fire and Z would have eagerly agreed.

But instead Trump had to trash our alliances and make America look like an evil country.
 

A New Deal With Moscow?​

Trump’s bid for a pact with Putin recalls the efforts of FDR and other presidents.​


GIFT LINK 🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/opinion/a-new-d...bb?st=2tNMwJ&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

“The true nature and the full price of President Trump’s Russia and Ukraine policies has become clear in recent days.

Mr. Trump believes that improved relations with Russia are necessary for the American revival he hopes to lead, and he is willing to pay a high, even stupefying, price in moral authority, alliance relations and Ukrainian territory to get his deal. Vladimir Putin understands this and will charge the U.S. accordingly.

… In offering Mr. Putin explicit recognition of a sphere of interest in portions of the former Soviet Union including Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia and Armenia, Mr. Trump is making larger and more consequential concessions than his 21st-century predecessors tried in their own failed attempts to reach an understanding with Mr. Putin.

And in offering to abandon American support for democracy promotion, Mr. Trump is returning to the studied silence on human rights that characterized Nixon-era détente.

… Given this history, the Kremlin will see any agreements with Mr. Trump as a temporary truce rather than a permanent peace. That limits the value of a deal. Moscow won’t accept permanent restraints on its behavior in exchange for temporary promises from Washington. …”
 
nycfan said:

A New Deal With Moscow?​

Trump’s bid for a pact with Putin recalls the efforts of FDR and other presidents.​


GIFT LINK 🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/opinion/a-new-d...bb?st=2tNMwJ&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

“The true nature and the full price of President Trump’s Russia and Ukraine policies has become clear in recent days.

Mr. Trump believes that improved relations with Russia are necessary for the American revival he hopes to lead, and he is willing to pay a high, even stupefying, price in moral authority, alliance relations and Ukrainian territory to get his deal. Vladimir Putin understands this and will charge the U.S. accordingly.

… In offering Mr. Putin explicit recognition of a sphere of interest in portions of the former Soviet Union including Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia and Armenia, Mr. Trump is making larger and more consequential concessions than his 21st-century predecessors tried in their own failed attempts to reach an understanding with Mr. Putin.

And in offering to abandon American support for democracy promotion, Mr. Trump is returning to the studied silence on human rights that characterized Nixon-era détente.

… Given this history, the Kremlin will see any agreements with Mr. Trump as a temporary truce rather than a permanent peace. That limits the value of a deal. Moscow won’t accept permanent restraints on its behavior in exchange for temporary promises from Washington. …”
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"[Trump's strategy] could pull Russia away from China ..."

Those are some Olympic-level mental gymnastics by Mr. Mead. He's apparently implying that Trump is some sort of 3D chess master in diplomacy. However, any sane person will recognize that Trump has no plan 'to pull Russian away from China' because he's merely a Putin fan boy.

"It is tempting but wrong to attack this strategy primarily on moral grounds."

Throwing Ukraine under the bus in some sort of bizarre attempt to lure Russia away from China is not only morally wrong, but strategically idiotic.

"Curbing Beijing’s rise without risking a war between the U.S. and China is both a great and a deeply moral goal."

This is true. But I think we can be certain it won't be accomplished using Trump's approach.

"If Trump policy were to end in a grand bargain with Russia that facilitated a long-term understanding with China, future historians might praise a strategy that contemporary observers largely condemn."

I have no idea what Mr. Mead is thinking will happen between Russia and China as a result of some sort of US rapprochement with Russia. I suspect Mr. Mead has no idea how this is going to happen either. I bet it sounded good when he wrote it though.
 
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Healing said:
Absolutely stunning the retreat from the callayeahs in the last couple of days.

I’m sure they’ll pop their heads out of the RWM miasma as soon as a trans person gets caught jaywalking, and Fox turns it into the nightly pearl clutch. Of course, once they do reappear, they’ll claim they were just so, so busy closing a bigly important deal, or family law case, or spending quality time with their family etc.
Nah, wasn’t bc your godking is shitting the bed and overtly turning the US into a clownish, hateful, incompetent, dangerous, autocracy. Nah, definitely not that.
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No retreat from me. It is very common for me to stay away from this place for days or weeks at a time. Some nasty people on here. Look at your post. You don't want to discuss politics, you want to attack any conservative that participates on the board. What can I possibly say that won't end up in an argument and pissing match. Shout out to Dr. Bob though. Board needs more like him.
 
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