Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Callatoroy said:
I would argue it was because of a weak and mentally challenged Biden that emboldened Putin to act after trump left office.
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Trump had promised Putin he'd end NATO. When Trump failed, as was usual for him, and that wasn't going to happen, Putin decided he'd invade to keep Ukraine from joining NATO. If that were to have happened he'd have no chance to live out his dream of a USSR II. That would have been the restored Russian Empire. Surprisingly or not, it was a dream Trump shared with Putin. After all Russia cultivated Donald Trump as an asset for over 40 years.
 
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Zoo_View said:
True.

But, sending “combat” troops into a modern battlefield without the ability to quickly communicate?
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They've been doing it since the founding of the USSR. A lot of the Asian members didn't share a language ,including Russian.
 
Land mines are a weapon of desperation. Ukraine is now desperate because their supplier is about to cut them off. Mines can be provided quickly; deployed quickly; and do not require training. Plus, the places Ukraine is likely to mine are already heavily mined anyway. Russians have been using mines all this time.
 
Because Biden is throwing everything he can at the war on his way out the door. It's a shame because Russia's economy is in shambles. I'm not sure they could last more than another year with the losses they are accruing. But without US support it may not matter.
 
Enigma94 said:
Because Biden is throwing everything he can at the war on his way out the door. It's a shame because Russia's economy is in shambles. I'm not sure they could last more than another year with the losses they are accruing. But without US support it may not matter.
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It will not matter. Ukraine's war effort seems close to expiration.
 
Enigma94 said:
Because Biden is throwing everything he can at the war on his way out the door. It's a shame because Russia's economy is in shambles. I'm not sure they could last more than another year with the losses they are accruing. But without US support it may not matter.
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Russia's economy isn't as bad off as you think. Can't measure it in Western terms. Sure, it has eroded sharply since 2022 but not because of the war but because it's administered by idiots, like all the Russian efforts. Consider their only aircraft carrier. Imagine that, they only have one! Anyway, it's been in dry dock for 5 of so years, sunk once, two fires and a collapsed crane and they even shipped off the crew to fight and die in Bakhumt. Idiots. But they endure. Russia doesn't export only oil and gas, but also gold, weapons, coal, rare earths/ precious metals and wealth. . With all those natural resources, it realy takes an unprecedented level of idiocy to really hurt them. They need USD and EUR just as everyone, but hey can live without if they have to. North Koreans, with much less have done so for a long time.
How Russia will do after the war will is an entirely different question but they can hold off for decades. Ukraine can't.
 
Batt Boy said:
Russia's economy isn't as bad off as you think. Can't measure it in Western terms. Sure, it has eroded sharply since 2022 but not because of the war but because it's administered by idiots, like all the Russian efforts. Consider their only aircraft carrier. Imagine that, they only have one! Anyway, it's been in dry dock for 5 of so years, sunk once, two fires and a collapsed crane and they even shipped off the crew to fight and die in Bakhumt. Idiots. But they endure. Russia doesn't export only oil and gas, but also gold, weapons, coal, rare earths/ precious metals and wealth. . With all those natural resources, it realy takes an unprecedented level of idiocy to really hurt them. They need USD and EUR just as everyone, but hey can live without if they have to. North Koreans, with much less have done so for a long time.
How Russia will do after the war will is an entirely different question but they can hold off for decades. Ukraine can't.
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It's all speculation and you may well be correct. Inflation is rampant, though, and Russians aren't North Koreans. It's a moot point with Trump winning regardless.
 
The Russians that matter are in Tashkent, Dubai, Tbilisi, Baden Baden, Berlin, Prague, Limassol, etc and not hurt as much.
 
Batt Boy said:
Russia's economy isn't as bad off as you think. Can't measure it in Western terms. Sure, it has eroded sharply since 2022 but not because of the war but because it's administered by idiots, like all the Russian efforts. Consider their only aircraft carrier. Imagine that, they only have one! Anyway, it's been in dry dock for 5 of so years, sunk once, two fires and a collapsed crane and they even shipped off the crew to fight and die in Bakhumt. Idiots. But they endure. Russia doesn't export only oil and gas, but also gold, weapons, coal, rare earths/ precious metals and wealth. . With all those natural resources, it realy takes an unprecedented level of idiocy to really hurt them. They need USD and EUR just as everyone, but hey can live without if they have to. North Koreans, with much less have done so for a long time.
How Russia will do after the war will is an entirely different question but they can hold off for decades. Ukraine can't.
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I think this is right. We've heard the Russian economy is on the verge of collapse since the week after the war started. We all remember the lines for the ATMs. That was several years ago.

There were also reports that Putin was dying so how much longer could it go on? I think all these reports are US military and US intelligence leaks that are meant prolong the war. And I'm not saying that prolonging the war is a bad thing for our interests but I also have learned a healthy skepticism for good news from several wars in my lifetime that are just about to end in our favor if we can just hold out for 6 more months.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think this is right. We've heard the Russian economy is on the verge of collapse since the week after the war started. We all remember the lines for the ATMs. That was several years ago.

There were also reports that Putin was dying so how much longer could it go on? I think all these reports are US military and US intelligence leaks that are meant prolong the war. And I'm not saying that prolonging the war is a bad thing for our interests but I also have learned a healthy skepticism for good news from several wars in my lifetime that are just about to end in our favor if we can just hold out for 6 more months.
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By the same token we've been hearing since the war started that it would only last a matter of days, then a matter of weeks/months, and over the past several months we've been hearing it's all over but the shouting. Ukraine has proven to be more resilient than the experts have predicted all along the way.
 
Enigma94 said:
By the same token we've been hearing since the war started that it would only last a matter of days, then a matter of weeks/months, and over the past several months we've been hearing it's all over but the shouting. Ukraine has proven to be more resilient than the experts have predicted all along the way.
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Spot on and in the meanwhile, we've tested a bunch of new technology while bleeding their officer corp white without too many US lives lost.
 
I look for Ukraine to be willing to enter negotiations and then just sit at the table for several months. While Russia may be able to break Ukraine's lines here and there, its not clear that Russia would be able to gather enough TRAINED forces and equipment to exploit any breakthrough. Plus it will take till next summer for the weather to clear up to allow for a breakthrough to be exploited.

But the big concern might be if Trump were able to lift sanctions on Russia. Perhaps the EU would refuse. Not sure how all that would work. But if Putin is able increase oil revenue or get access to his frozen money, then that would be a big problem and force Ukraine to give in.

But, there's always a chance that Trump's Saudi friends might prefer for the war to go on to limit Russia's oil exports.
 
Enigma94 said:
Because Biden is throwing everything he can at the war on his way out the door. It's a shame because Russia's economy is in shambles. I'm not sure they could last more than another year with the losses they are accruing. But without US support it may not matter.
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As long as the oil flows they can survive. I would be all in on continuing full support if it would only last 1 more year.
 
Callatoroy said:
As long as the oil flows they can survive. I would be all in on continuing full support if it would only last 1 more year.
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I can’t see the reasoning for putting a time limit on our support. Countering Russia and China are the two primary reasons we have a military. We can neuter one of those geopolitical foes for a fraction of our annual defense budget and you only want to do that for one year. The only reason I can come up with for ending support would be the toll it’s taking on the people of Ukraine, but that’s solely Putin’s fault and ultimately Ukraine wants to fight. Not to mention there are consequences to Russia gaining control of Ukraine for future generations.
 
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