Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Do Patriots even work against mass drone attacks?

I'll give Trump a little credit on this. He has obviously realized he's not nearly as effective a dealmaker as he thought he was. He's finally doing what we should have been doing from the start. We wasted six months and thousands of Ukranian lives, but I really doubted Trump would ever be willing to pivot to the Biden approach, even if it was the obviously correct one from the beginning.
 
lawtig02 said:
Do Patriots even work against mass drone attacks?

I'll give Trump a little credit on this. He has obviously realized he's not nearly as effective a dealmaker as he thought he was. He's finally doing what we should have been doing from the start. We wasted six months and thousands of Ukranian lives, but I really doubted Trump would ever be willing to pivot to the Biden approach, even if it was the obviously correct one from the beginning.
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He said 24 hours. Said maybe not even that long.
 


Pretty big deal if the Trump Administration goes through with it.
 
lawtig02 said:
Do Patriots even work against mass drone attacks?

I'll give Trump a little credit on this. He has obviously realized he's not nearly as effective a dealmaker as he thought he was. He's finally doing what we should have been doing from the start. We wasted six months and thousands of Ukranian lives, but I really doubted Trump would ever be willing to pivot to the Biden approach, even if it was the obviously correct one from the beginning.
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I wonder the same thing, and do you launch a $5 million missile at a $500 drone?
 
1moretimeagain said:
I wonder the same thing, and do you launch a $5 million missile at a $500 drone?
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From a national security perspective, the news that concerns me the most these days are the reports that we are not taking the drone threat seriously. Warfare has changed overnight, just as it did when gunpowder was harnessed and machine guns were developed. There will never again be a "conventional" war. We have entered the age of drone and cyber warfare, and if we're not leading that charge, we're sitting ducks.
 
lawtig02 said:
From a national security perspective, the news that concerns me the most these days are the reports that we are not taking the drone threat seriously. Warfare has changed overnight, just as it did when gunpowder was harnessed and machine guns were developed. There will never again be a "conventional" war. We have entered the age of drone and cyber warfare, and if we're not leading that charge, we're sitting ducks.
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For a few years now, there have been reports of China buying land near American bases here in the United States. Perhaps they were doing that for spy purposes, but I am sure they are thinking about the drone potential.
 
About half of Russia's Shahed drones are actually decoys designed to map and exhaust Ukraine's air defenses. Only a small percentage of Shaheds are actually hitting anything but they do get publicized when they do. According to recent reports, Ukraine is actually having good luck taking them out with a new, cheap drone.

But, Ukraine is handing Russia significant punishment with its own drone strikes within Russia. Those don't get near the publicity now because Russia is cracking down on picture taking of the damage.
 
So the Russian stock market went up by 3 percent yesterday. A relief rally that the rumors were wrong about Trump really turning on them I suppose.
 

After Trump Deal, Ukraine’s Fortunes Hinge on How Fast NATO Can Deliver Arms​

President’s agreement to sell advanced arms to European allies so they can pass them to Kyiv is milestone in three-year-old war​


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“… The promised buildup in Ukraine’s defenses, announced Monday at the White House by Trump and North Atlantic Treaty Organization Secretary-General Mark Rutte, depends on getting enough Patriots into the country quickly, and in the long run stepping up the West’s production of interceptors for shooting down Russian drones and ballistic missiles, analysts said.

“The Russian tactic is to get the Ukrainians to waste all their existing air-defense stocks and leave them exposed to a late summer or fall offensive,” said Celeste Wallander, who was a senior Pentagon official in the Biden administration. “If this is going to change Putin’s calculation on whether he will win, substantial deliveries would have to be carried out through the summer.”

Trump’s decision is still a milestone. His agreement to sell advanced arms to European allies so they can pass them to Kyiv marks the first time the White House has agreed to furnish weapons for Ukraine that go beyond the deliveries former President Joe Biden set in motion before leaving office.…”
 
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