Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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I don’t mind setting up a loan structure that requires Ukraine to pay for at least some of the cost of the support we provide. I think Ukraine would be smart to be open to that and sounds like they are. Collateralizing the loan with mineral rights is fine I guess, but it would need to be capped at the cost and not be in perpetuity. We benefit from Ukraine resisting Russia too and they are paying in blood, so that’s part of the equation.
 


'Trump peace plan for Ukraine' is 'leaked': Talks with Putin, ceasefire by Easter and an end to Zelensky's NATO dream among details in report​


 


'Trump peace plan for Ukraine' is 'leaked': Talks with Putin, ceasefire by Easter and an end to Zelensky's NATO dream among details in report​



Yeah, if true, that's pretty much a total victory for Putin. Which is not surprising after November 5, I guess. Also, why in the hell would the UK or any other country agree to maintain a DMZ between Ukraine and Russia? I see no benefit to that for them and a whole lot of risk (and expense).
 
Yeah, if true, that's pretty much a total victory for Putin. Which is not surprising after November 5, I guess. Also, why in the hell would the UK or any other country agree to maintain a DMZ between Ukraine and Russia? I see no benefit to that for them and a whole lot of risk (and expense).
I don't see any reason why Ukraine would agree to this. Basically Russia gets to keep everything they have and can then rebuild in order to try again, but this time with an established foothold in Ukraine to operate from. Also, Russia doesn't have to pay anything to Ukraine for the destruction they caused, while getting sanctions lifted so they have plenty of money and access to tech to rebuild. The EU gets the bill for rebuilding and supplying troops for a DMZ. Sounds pretty much in line with what one would expect from Trump - assist Russia and screw over our allies.
 
I don't see any reason why Ukraine would agree to this. Basically Russia gets to keep everything they have and can then rebuild in order to try again, but this time with an established foothold in Ukraine to operate from. Also, Russia doesn't have to pay anything to Ukraine for the destruction they caused, while getting sanctions lifted so they have plenty of money and access to tech to rebuild. The EU gets the bill for rebuilding and supplying troops for a DMZ. Sounds pretty much in line with what one would expect from Trump - assist Russia and screw over our allies.
I think the only reason they would consider agreeing to this is to stop having their people killed and because they are afraid that they are going to lose even more if the war goes on. Not saying now is that time for them sometimes you have to cut your losses.
 
Vlad says things are difficult
Ukraine should make a beeline from Kursk to Moscow ... they'd "stand a damn good chance of catching 'em with their pants down."
 
From a strategic point of view, Ukraine is actually winning this war (thou not enough to win its territory back). And I suspect Zelensky is just playing games with Trump on making peace to keep arms flowing as long as possible.

Ukraine seems to have kept its economy and war production going. Especially drones. Which is allowing it to cripple Russia's oil industry before it moves to bombing other critical sectors in Russia.

The economy, may be one reason why Ukraine has been reluctant to pull the younger folks into the military, although news is coming out that they may be changing that. My guess is that they are doing it to make allies happy.

Even if American aid gets pulled at some point, its not like Ukraine will collapse. Russia is unable to exploit a breakthrough even if there is a break in the line somewhere.
 
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