Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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TangledUpInBlue06 said:
Peace is good. Lasting peace is better.

Russians are famous for at least two things - tolerance for hardship and patience. They would gladly wait a decade to reestablish themselves before trying again. They may do that regardless of the outcome of the Ukraine war. But if they see they can chew up portions of Ukraine at a time, they'll rightly see a path (albeit a long path) to swallowing the whole thing.
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Russian military leaders don’t mind casualties if they gain their objective. That’s how they fought WW2. Hitler made a lot of strategic and tactical errors that contributed to Germany’s defeat. But the Russians used their vast superiority in numbers to beat the Germans down.
 
farce© said:
Yep. I wouldn't want to be Estonia right now. Although since they are NATO, other European countries will come to their aid (even though the US will not.)
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Yeah, the Baltics and Poland are probably fucked, and the risk of war in Europe and Taiwan just went up by magnitudes.
 
I know this will make all of our board Trumper cucks excited because they think that it'll be a good thing that the rest of the civilized world is going to go it without America moving forward, but in reality, today is one of the most ominous days in our country's history. I don't say that lightly, nor out of a sense of hyperbole or hysteria. Completely surrendering our place as the premier global superpower will have draconian effects on every single one of us moving forward.
 
Patb78 said:
Russian military leaders don’t mind casualties if they gain their objective. That’s how they fought WW2. Hitler made a lot of strategic and tactical errors that contributed to Germany’s defeat. But the Russians used their vast superiority in numbers to beat the Germans down.
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A lot of the credit goes to Mother Winter and Lend Lease.


By the end of June 1944 the United States had sent to the Soviets under lend-lease more than 11,000 planes; over 6,000 tanks and tank destroyers; and 300,000 trucks and other military vehicles.

Many of the planes have been flown directly from the United States to the Soviet Union over the northern route via Alaska and Siberia, others were crated and shipped to the Persian Gulf, where they were assembled and flown into Russia.

We have also sent to the Soviets about 350 locomotives, 1,640 flat cars, and close to half a million tons of rails and accessories, axles, and wheels, all for the improvement of the railways feeding the Red armies on the Eastern Front. For the armies themselves we have sent miles of field telephone wire, thousands of telephones, and many thousands of tons of explosives. And we have also provided machine tools and other equipment to help the Russians manufacture their own planes, guns, shells, and bombs.

We have supplied our allies with large quantities of food. The Soviet Union alone has received some 3,000,000 tons. Lend-lease has contributed about 10 percent of Britain’s over-all food supply. This, together with a great increase in agricultural production in the British Isles, has helped to feed the British civilians and armed forces. Bread, potatoes, carrots, cabbage, and other common vegetables have been available to the British from their home gardens and farms. The United States has provided a high proportion of such foods as bacon, eggs, cheese, and fruit juices.
 
Margie said it best. This was about putting Zelenskyy in his place. Which is another way of saying that he's a little too uppity.

Everything is a proxy for race to MAGA.
 
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