Russia - US “Ukraine peace negotiations”

When Trump was elected - I fretted about the tariffs and the mass deportations and their effects on our economy. And then I was aghast at Trump's nominations for SecDef and HHS secretary and DNI and FBI. But this shit - what's happened the last week - I assumed Trump would blow smoke up Putin's ass as he did in his first term....but I never envisioned this type of 180 degree spin completely warping (at the very least) 80 years + of foreign policy paradigm.
 
When Trump was elected - I fretted about the tariffs and the mass deportations and their effects on our economy. And then I was aghast at Trump's nominations for SecDef and HHS secretary and DNI and FBI. But this shit - what's happened the last week - I assumed Trump would blow smoke up Putin's ass as he did in his first term....but I never envisioned this type of 180 degree spin completely warping (at the very least) 80 years + of foreign policy paradigm.
I think Trump is grasping at any straw that he can to cause a national emergency and then size power. The old "only the arsonist can put out the fire" play.
 
What the fuck is happening here? Why are we talking about normalizing relations with Russia? This is fucking madness. Blaming Ukraine for the war? Normalizing relations with Russia without any concessions from Putin? Turning away from our centuries old alliances with Europe? There should be fucking riots in the street over this shit. This will lead to war and it will cost lives - and most likely - the lives of Americans. It is the most foolish set of foreign policy decisions and positioning I think we have ever seen in this history of this country and that includes Bush's Iraq War in 2003. This will be far more catastrophic on a global scale than the War on Terror and the invasion of Iraq.
When you view Trump as a Russian asset his actions make perfect sense.
 
No he is scared of Putin.
I remember in Trump's first term, he hounded everyone around him everyday about when he could meet Putin. Perhaps he's scared of Putin, but I tend to think he see's Putin as someone that can help him size power or help him in his corrupt dealings.

Putin is his kindred spirit in terms of propaganda and lies.
 
I remember in Trump's first term, he hounded everyone around him everyday about when he could meet Putin. Perhaps he's scared of Putin, but I tend to think he see's Putin as someone that can help him size power or help him in his corrupt dealings.

Putin is his kindred spirit in terms of propaganda and lies.
Putin is everything Trump wants to be when he grows up.
 

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When you view Trump as a Russian asset his actions make perfect sense.
I don't think he is a Russian asset nor do I think he is afraid of Putin. I think ultimately he hates dissent at his core and thus he hates democracy unless it serves his own purposes. He envies the world's autocrats but mostly he envies Putin because Putin functions under the veil of "democracy" all while being able to control all levers of power in a large and semi powerful nation.

Regardless, Trump's second term is possibly a bigger disaster than even the most pessimistic views post election.
 
I don't think he is a Russian asset nor do I think he is afraid of Putin. I think ultimately he hates dissent at his core and thus he hates democracy unless it serves his own purposes. He envies the world's autocrats but mostly he envies Putin because Putin functions under the veil of "democracy" all while being able to control all levers of power in a large and semi powerful nation.

Regardless, Trump's second term is possibly a bigger disaster than even the most pessimistic views post election.
Have you ever seen Trump when he is in the same room as Putin? He is obviously scared of him.
 
I recommend this program [Marshall Plan] of the United States support for European recovery to the Congress in full confidence of its wisdom and necessity as a major step in our nation's quest for a just and lasting peace.
- Harry S. Truman

Ich bin ein Berliner
- John F Kannedy

Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.
- Ronald Reagan


They [Ukraine] shouldn't have started the war, anyway.
- Donald J. Trump, Putin Puppet
 
Putin's got something, probably multiple things on Trump. $$ still owed to Russia, compromising dirt.
I mean it could be, but Russia doesn’t need that. Putin knows how to manipulate Trump and Trump is deeply impressed by political strongmen and mafia types. Trump wants to be a strongman who dominates his sphere of influence.

Putin seems to have convinced or merely nurtured in Trump a vision that Trump should be a Goliath that divides spheres of dominion with Russia and China. Trump seems unaware of how diminished Russia is from the USSR of his youth and tells us daily how much he likes this vision of the regional spheres of domination. Trump is all in on an expanded USA that includes Greenland and Canada and controls the Western Hemisphere with an iron fist.
 
I mean it could be, but Russia doesn’t need that. Putin knows how to manipulate Trump and Trump is deeply impressed by political strongmen and mafia types. Trump wants to be a strongman who dominates his sphere of influence.

Putin seems to have convinced or merely nurtured in Trump a vision that Trump should be a Goliath that divides spheres of dominion with Russia and China. Trump seems unaware of how diminished Russia is from the USSR of his youth and tells us daily how much he likes this vision of the regional spheres of domination. Trump is all in on an expanded USA that includes Greenland and Canada and controls the Western Hemisphere with an iron fist.
I think this is all correct. Trump thinks Putin has what he wants (power, money, control, admiration) and envisions himself as Putin 2.0.
 
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