Russia - US | Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Sad little troll. You probably think that was this past fall.

I'm guessing there's actually no way you went to UNC. You bought a shirt at big lots and just grabbed on to the delusion
 
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Callatoroy said:
So after Europe failed to maintain its sanctions and gave Putin a trillion dollars while not even funding Ukraine at the level of the US, macron wants to call out the US? We can’t actually take this measure, but fuck Europe. They allowed this so they can deal with it. Looks like trump and the US will bail Europe out again.
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Europe gave Putin a trillion dollars via fossil fuel purchases?

Where did you get that information?
 
Callatoroy said:
So after Europe failed to maintain its sanctions and gave Putin a trillion dollars
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Much like Elon Musk and DOGE, you have an inveterate habit of making stuff up to bolster your point. I think you got this from that article you posted earlier, which refers to a trillion dollars in total Russian oil and gas sales and (misleadingly) implies that Europe makes up a large percentage of that - but later mentions in an aside that total European purchases in 2024 were more like $20 billion.
 
lGobal Witness found, between January and September of this year, the U.S. imported 30 million barrels of fuel from refineries running on Russian oil. In total, that crude arrived in at least 13 cities in seven states.

Among the companies importing that oil, BP, Sunoco, and Shell
 
rodoheel said:
Much like Elon Musk and DOGE, you have an inveterate habit of making stuff up to bolster your point. I think you got this from that article you posted earlier, which refers to a trillion dollars in total Russian oil and gas sales and (misleadingly) implies that Europe makes up a large percentage of that - but later mentions in an aside that total European purchases in 2024 were more like $20 billion.
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Rodo, please don’t confuse the poor creature with facts. His brain doesn’t work at that level.
 
What am I missing here...

I've heard multiple news updates or reports that mention European countries and whether or not they could defend themselves against an attack from Russia.

Given that Russia can't even defeat Ukraine, why is there any concern about Russia defeating multiple European countries?
 
rodoheel said:
Much like Elon Musk and DOGE, you have an inveterate habit of making stuff up to bolster your point. I think you got this from that article you posted earlier, which refers to a trillion dollars in total Russian oil and gas sales and (misleadingly) implies that Europe makes up a large percentage of that - but later mentions in an aside that total European purchases in 2024 were more like $20 billion.
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“Since the invasion the Kremlin has made close to a trillion dollars from oil and gas sales – much of it from European customers.”
rodoheel said:
Much like Elon Musk and DOGE, you have an inveterate habit of making stuff up to bolster your point. I think you got this from that article you posted earlier, which refers to a trillion dollars in total Russian oil and gas sales and (misleadingly) implies that Europe makes up a large percentage of that - but later mentions in an aside that total European purchases in 2024 were more like $20 billion.
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The article literally states that much of that trillion comes from Europe. But that isn't the point at all is it? The real issues are these:

1. The US and europe put in place sanctions to isolate putin knowing that the sale of oil and gas is what was going to fund his war. Europe undermined those sanctions by giving putin the funding to prosecute the war.

2. Biden's leadership and effectiveness in maintaining that coalition apparently was non existent. Nor could he effectively manage getting europe to seize the 400 billion in russian assets.

3. Trump inherits the war and knows, despite support from the US and europe, it isn't enough to kick putin back into russia. Why? Because europe is giving putin the financial resources he needs to keep the war going and they have more manpower.

4. Trump knows its over and is trying to negotiate a REALISTIC agreement because russia has all the leverage due to europe's financial assistance. putin can wait everyone out.

5. It now is illogical to keep sending ukraine money because its just money down the drain.

6. Given that europe was literally paying the country they were fighting through proxy, it is also illogical to bail europe out of the disaster they helped create. Europe can't negotiate a peace without the US. So the US will once again bail europe out

7. Trump is right and all who want to keep funding the war are wrong.

Initially I was in disagreement with trump when he stated he wanted to discontinue support at the biden levels. But I realized, and am on record as saying that as long as the oil is flowing russia can continue to financially wage war. That is when I accepted trump was right to end it if he could get putin to agree to no nato for ukraine and to agree no more territory acquisition beyond what it already occupied. The mineral rights deal is a win for the US and ukraine and it provides some security for ukraine.

It is beyond dumb to continue to give ukraine any more money than is absolutely necessary to hold the existing lines until a peace agreement can be achieved. Europe has pulled the rug out from under ukraine and wasted billions of dollars. They aren't all of a sudden going to stop buying the oil so there is no point in continuing for the US. It's also beyond hypocritical for europe to criticize the US in any way. They should be begging trump to get a peace deal finalized as soon as he can.
 
ZenMode said:
What am I missing here...

I've heard multiple news updates or reports that mention European countries and whether or not they could defend themselves against an attack from Russia.

Given that Russia can't even defeat Ukraine, why is there any concern about Russia defeating multiple European countries?
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Nearly every mission requires hardware and software from US companies. The Euros are expecting a blackout from American companies and probably expect Trump to authorize arms sales to Russia.
 
lawtig02 said:
^ This is exactly what I’m seeing across the Republicans I know. When your views on an important issue change 180 degrees the moment a president of your party takes office, you might take a moment to consider the sincerity of your beliefs. This is why the modern GOP is a cult.
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It's almost like....and hear me out now, stay with me!...but it's ALMOST like this is the very essence of why this particular poster absolutely strokes out and blows a gasket about other people being "hypocrites" or "without principles or conviction" or "spineless" or whatever else gibberish he spews. We have a word for it.....searching....searching....searching.... AHH! There it is! It's.........projection!
 
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