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I represented a gentlemen a few years ago who discovered, immediately after the divorce filing, that his wife had withdrawn $600k from the equity line of their residence and sent it to her online "lover" over a period of several months. We found the text messages of their "relationship." She even flew to Los Angeles to meet him to start their new life together. Obviously, no one was there to greet her. This was an educated lady in her 50s - not elderly.

The good news was there were enough assets in the marital estate for my client to recover from her these lost funds.
 
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nycfan said:
My great grandmother left everything to Jimmy Swaggart when she died decades ago. It was particularly galling to my grandmother because my grandfather (her husband) had given my great grandmother virtually everything she had at that point (after she had abandoned him and his sister as children with their alcoholic and abusive father and married someone else, but fell on hard times after her second husband died). I guess he knew his mom had good reasons to leave. But anyway, it infuriated my grandmother to find out Ma Bert turned around and left what she had to that con man Swaggart.
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We are all suckers to an extent in this society but some levels are sickening
 
Ramrouser said:
I represented a gentlemen a few years ago who discovered, immediately after the divorce filing, that his wife had withdrawn $600k from the equity line of their residence and sent it to her online "lover" over a period of several months. We found the text messages of their "relationship." She even flew to Las Angeles to meet him to start their new life together. Obviously, no one was there to greet her. This was an educated lady in her 50s - not elderly.

The good news was there were enough assets in the marital estate for my client to recover from her these lost funds.
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Ouch... that's gotta leave a mark.
 
Ramrouser said:
I represented a gentlemen a few years ago who discovered, immediately after the divorce filing, that his wife had withdrawn $600k from the equity line of their residence and sent it to her online "lover" over a period of several months. We found the text messages of their "relationship." She even flew to Los Angeles to meet him to start their new life together. Obviously, no one was there to greet her. This was an educated lady in her 50s - not elderly.

The good news was there were enough assets in the marital estate for my client to recover from her these lost funds.
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I was watching a show where a guy was caught up in something similar.

Poor guy was single, and a "Woman" online was getting him to receive packages and forward them to her in a foreign country. She had also asked for money.

It was very obvious what was going on. But she had promised to marry him, and he thought he was in love. He had basically spent his entire retirement funds.

They were filming as the investigators were explaining to him what was really happening. You could tell the moment when he realized that he had been taken advantage of. It was very sad watching him start to cry. Also, he didn't have the funds to recover.

The heartless people that perpetrate these scams, I'd honestly love to see them suffer somewhere equally to those they take advantage of.
 
I dealt with the same from my late mother. It's horrible. Krafty gave some solid advice. Get a PoA and get your names on her bank account ASAP and have a really tough heart to heart with your mom. I have to ask this question and don't mean any offense behind it because of what I saw with my own mom: is she experiencing any short term memory loss? I can tell you that when my own mom's mind started slipping, that was when the scamming issue REALLY started in earnest because she couldn't remember any of the conversations. For example, I walked in her house one day and she was on the phone. I mouthed "who are you talking to?" She mouthed back "I've won the publishers clearing house." I grabbed the phone and started demanding information and got a quick "click" of a hang up. Hate you're having to go through this - hang in there!
 
UNCatTech said:
I was watching a show where a guy was caught up in something similar.

Poor guy was single, and a "Woman" online was getting him to receive packages and forward them to her in a foreign country. She had also asked for money.

It was very obvious what was going on. But she had promised to marry him, and he thought he was in love. He had basically spent his entire retirement funds.

They were filming as the investigators were explaining to him what was really happening. You could tell the moment when he realized that he had been taken advantage of. It was very sad watching him start to cry. Also, he didn't have the funds to recover.

The heartless people that perpetrate these scams, I'd honestly love to see them suffer somewhere equally to those they take advantage of.
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It was very sad. In the text messages you could tell she loved the attention and thought she was in love with the "guy" and was helping him start a business in California where they would reside together. The family was fairly wealthy so she still had assets but $600k is quite the hit.

Just today, I'm going to represent a new client (an elderly lady who resides in Greece) who has family in Ga. She owned a house and 16 acres in N. Georgia that she found out this week was sold in the last three weeks. A fraudulent seller used her identity with a fake passport and other fake documents to effectuate the sale. Lot's of red flags but everybody in the transaction wanted it to close to earn fees. What a mess.
 
This software has a free version that will clean your computer from any remote access software a scammer may use to gain access to your computer, and will block further attempts of that remote access software.

It also has a paid version that will alert relatives or a guardian if your loved one visits a scam website like those fake investing sites, gets a fake virus pop-ups, or if a scammer tries to access their computer.

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Its the first real anti-scam software available that does this sort of thing.
 
I wonder if there is anything we can do to keep from falling into this when we get old.

Right now is seems so obvious that these are scams but maybe our degraded brains won't see it.

I figure short of full on dementia we will retain some skepticism and be able to spot the patterns that we are familiar with.
 
I was on a jury for a Carrboro scammmer where this turd did the old "I will fix your roof " thing Often got tousands and thousands and did crap work. Always old people . I have friend who graduated from CHHS that spent his whole career in the NC Atty Gen office puttin scamming scum in jail . A few days after my jury duty I saw David at the grocer and told him my story
He said "wow, years ago I helped get him to a Federal penitentary for doing this in Greensboro"
I am no lawyer-but I always wondered why the jury was not allowed to hear he had been convicted of this before ?
The saddest part was seeing his forlon mother at the trial.
The scammer was very charming-handsome.......
 
Ramrouser said:
It was very sad. In the text messages you could tell she loved the attention and thought she was in love with the "guy" and was helping him start a business in California where they would reside together. The family was fairly wealthy so she still had assets but $600k is quite the hit.

Just today, I'm going to represent a new client (an elderly lady who resides in Greece) who has family in Ga. She owned a house and 16 acres in N. Georgia that she found out this week was sold in the last three weeks. A fraudulent seller used her identity with a fake passport and other fake documents to effectuate the sale. Lot's of red flags but everybody in the transaction wanted it to close to earn fees. What a mess.
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Sometimes things make you simply hate people. I just don't understand how these people put money above all and sleep at night.

I hope you can get the property back and the people involved go to jail.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I wonder if there is anything we can do to keep from falling into this when we get old.

Right now is seems so obvious that these are scams but maybe our degraded brains won't see it.

I figure short of full on dementia we will retain some skepticism and be able to spot the patterns that we are familiar with.
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I'm working on a very successful plan of being broke and having nothing to take.

Plus, I don't answer the phone if I don't recognize the number.
 
Dealt with this with my now dead ex MIL. We lived with her parents and I would get the mail bc I worked from home. On the way back inside I would trash the solicitation mail and only give her one or two I knew were legit. It helped.

Then the phones started ringing so I had their number transferred to a VOIP service and had the calls forward to a google voice number which scrubbed most of the spam calls and then had that forwarded to a new a new number also attached to the VOIP system. They never knew what I did and neither did anyone else trying to call them on their old #.

The spam calls dropped by 95% and I probably saved them 20K or more per year for the next 10 years until my ex MIL died which was well after their daughter and I divorced.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I wonder if there is anything we can do to keep from falling into this when we get old.

Right now is seems so obvious that these are scams but maybe our degraded brains won't see it.

I figure short of full on dementia we will retain some skepticism and be able to spot the patterns that we are familiar with.
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An interesting thought experiment. One thing I do know is scammers won't need us as victims to keep the money flowing in based on the current intersection of politics and social engineering. We've already seen that roughly half the country is comprised of persuadable marks or worse.
 
JCTarheel82 said:
An interesting thought experiment. One thing I do know is scammers won't need us as victims to keep the money flowing in based on the current intersection of politics and social engineering. We've already seen that roughly half the country is comprised of persuadable marks or worse.
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I read an article before the election that stated that maga cultist were more likely to be targeted because the scammers knew they were easy.
 
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