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SCOTUS Catch-all | 2024-25 Term Ends

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nycfan said:
This decision could cause chaos in school curriculum as parents could claim opt out rights for all manner of lessons. The result will likely mostly be public schools becoming much more limited in what they teach in order to avoid the issue altogether. Otherwise, what to do with the opt out kids on any given day? It’s not like public schools are swimming in extra resources to have an opt-out instructor to handle regular opt-outs from any class.
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Let em stay home. It's not the public school's job to battle with the parents. If the parents want their kid to be ignorant, whatever.
 
CFordUNC said:
Alright, I hate to ask this, but could someone (or someones) explain to me like the dullard I am what the injunction ruling means and its significance. Feel free to talk to me like I’m 10.
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I will try to post something more informative later on, but it's not entirely clear what it means and so it's hard to assess right now. It isn't the way I would have decided the issue, but it's not necessarily horrible.
 
akillesheel said:
kids being allowed to be ignorant is arguably why we're here in the first place, no?

the canard of "parents' rights" needs to be nipped in the bud and hard. education is a public good.
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Yes. I didn't phrase that correctly. On the other hand, if the parents are so extreme that they are holding their kids out of school, no school lesson is going to make much difference, I would think.
 
lawtig02 said:
Not sure most people know what it takes to get a class certified.
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As you know, 23(b)(2) injunction classes are easier to certify than 23(b)(3) damage class actions. The devil will be in the details going forward and it may well be that the Supreme Court makes it harder to certify these 23(b)(2) classes going forward. OTOH, I am not sure the Supreme Court wants to adopt a rule that results in 100 identical lawsuits clogging up the district and circuit courts going forward.

This one will take time to play out and measure the true impact.
 
lawtig02 said:
Not sure most people know what it takes to get a class certified.
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I think you can stop wondering. Guarantee that most people have no idea what a class is, what it means to get it certified, or how to get a class certified. I mostly count myself in that group although I have a vague idea with a class is. Smarter than the average bear.
 
Did anyone see Trump's press conference around lunchtime on East Coast? I believe it was generally slated for the Supreme Court rulings but I am not sure. I only caught the tail end while having lunch in my office, as he was being asked questions.

Who WERE those "reporters," I've never seen so much sucking up to Trump and congratulations for him. And every question seemed to be a softball setup question to lead him to sing his own praises.

Is the White House press corps all plants now, or are they just afraid after being beat up by Trump and Hedgeseth? Have they just given up and now realize that the SCOTUS is giving Trump free reign to act as Dictator? It was very strange.
 
nycfan said:
This decision could cause chaos in school curriculum as parents could claim opt out rights for all manner of lessons. The result will likely mostly be public schools becoming much more limited in what they teach in order to avoid the issue altogether. Otherwise, what to do with the opt out kids on any given day? It’s not like public schools are swimming in extra resources to have an opt-out instructor to handle regular opt-outs from any class.
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And AP classes in Social Studies are really going to be thrown into chaos, as they do emphasize a more rigorous curriculum and examination of controversial parts of American history compared to many classes. They'll likely have to water down what they teach significantly.
 
superrific said:
Let em stay home. It's not the public school's job to battle with the parents. If the parents want their kid to be ignorant, whatever.
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Yes, but then the teacher has to deal with those parents when their kid is behind, getting back grades, etc. It's going to put more work on teachers and more headaches. It will lead to even more grade inflation and students coming into the university who are not prepared, at all, to be there. (Yes, this is a global rant, not just localized at this one issue.)
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think you can stop wondering. Guarantee that most people have no idea what a class is, what it means to get it certified, or how to get a class certified. I mostly count myself in that group although I have a vague idea with a class is. Smarter than the average bear.
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I doubt there is anyone on this board who hasn’t received at least one class action postcard or email in the past five years.
 
Calheel said:
I doubt there is anyone on this board who hasn’t received at least one class action postcard or email in the past five years.
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Oh I get them-they make little sense to me how to actually "enroll"-and I toss them..Usually conciding I am giving up $5.45 by not spending a couple hours "joining"
 
UNCatTech said:
Even then no one knows the mind of a person regarding sexuality at birth.
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No doubt. The issue is should parents be allowed to opt out of books that say doctors shouldn’t “assign” gender at birth for elementary school students? Some parents would rather elementary kids not get into all that. The issue is - should it be forced on them? That’s what the court was ruling on.
 
mpaer said:
Oh I get them-they make little sense to me how to actually "enroll"-and I toss them..Usually conciding I am giving up $5.45 by not spending a couple hours "joining"
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The Apple ones have been pretty lucrative as of late. I got a $1,500 rebate check plus $300 cash on one of the Honda battery cases. $5.45 would be ignored though.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Yes, but then the teacher has to deal with those parents when their kid is behind, getting back grades, etc. It's going to put more work on teachers and more headaches. It will lead to even more grade inflation and students coming into the university who are not prepared, at all, to be there. (Yes, this is a global rant, not just localized at this one issue.)
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I remember growing up many moons ago when one kid had to sit out of a class Halloween party because his parents were Jehovah's witnesses. Sucked for that nine year old but I can't imagine it was that difficult for the teacher. She just set up a desk in the hallway and let the kid read.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
No doubt. The issue is should parents be allowed to opt out of books that say doctors shouldn’t “assign” gender at birth for elementary school students? Some parents would rather elementary kids not get into all that. The issue is - should it be forced on them? That’s what the court was ruling on.
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I guess I'd have to read these books to understand that point. Most of what I've read or 4ead about don't mention doctors assigning gender, they are more along the lines of what John Kennedy read aloud on the Senate floor.

But, what i see as a bigger question is how the general public interprets it. I'm sure personal biases will play a role. That's how books like "And Tango Makes Three" gets banned.

Also, why are LBGTQ topics so scary to young students yet many of those concerned will expose their children to the Bible? And we all know the spectrum of stories in the Bible.
 
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