SCOTUS Catch-all |

[Callatoroy]

It doesn't even mention the parents. This is not a difficult puzzle.

we are talking about zen's idea.

 

[superrific]

Probably. I'm just looking at what makes sense overall, not necessarily as it relates to this specific case.

People who are vacationing, visiting, acting as diplomats or existing illegally are still under the jurisdiction of their home country, not the US, at least not to any more degree than I'm under the jurisdiction of Mexico when I vacation there.

Yes, any person in the US save ambassadors' families is subject to American jurisdiction.

So are you in Mexico. Literally what jurisdiction means is that you can be sued or charged with a crime.

 

[superrific]

Of course they can. I mentioned that when I referenced me vacationing in mexico. That (being arrested, charged, convicted and jailed in Mexico) doesn't mean I'm not, ultimately, under the jurisdiction of the US, right?

You are under the jurisdiction of both places. Not difficult.

 

[superrific]

I think I have a good enough idea of what "jurisdiction thereof" means to form my opinion, even if I'm expanding the application more than others might.

You clearly do not. For one thing, you seem to think that only one country has jurisdiction. In reality, people are subject to mutliple jurisdictions at once. Wal-Mart is subject to the jurisdiction of at least half the countries in the world.

 

[ZenMode]

You clearly do not. For one thing, you seem to think that only one country has jurisdiction. In reality, people are subject to mutliple jurisdictions at once. Wal-Mart is subject to the jurisdiction of at least half the countries in the world.

Nope. I think, ultimately, and as it relates to citizenship, you are primarily under the jurisdiction of your home country. That doesn't mean you can't commit crimes and be charged in another country.

What many seem to want is "If you can find a way...any way.... to squeeze out a kid on US soil, you get citizenship". So, it turns into some weird contest to backdoor the system. I don't believe creativity to scam citizenship out of the US was the intention of birthright citizenship.

 

[Calheel]

Yes, any person in the US save ambassadors' families is subject to American jurisdiction.

John Elk would like a word with you (recognizing Congress fixed that issue by statute).

 

[hedge]

There is an entire industry using our constitution against us.

Are you referring to the NRA?

 

[rodoheel]

Probably. I'm just looking at what makes sense overall, not necessarily as it relates to this specific case.

People who are vacationing, visiting, acting as diplomats or existing illegally are still under the jurisdiction of their home country, not the US, at least not to any more degree than I'm under the jurisdiction of Mexico when I vacation there.

lol - do you think people vacationing in a foreign county aren't subject to that country's jurisdiction? Try going on vacation to France, robbing a bank, and telling them only US legal authorities can prosecute you.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

Are you referring to the NRA?

 

[Icky Mettle]

Probably. I'm just looking at what makes sense overall, not necessarily as it relates to this specific case.

People who are vacationing, visiting, acting as diplomats or existing illegally are still under the jurisdiction of their home country, not the US, at least not to any more degree than I'm under the jurisdiction of Mexico when I vacation there.

Not sure if you’re being serious here. That’s not how it works at all.

 

[rodoheel]

There is an entire industry using our constitution against us.

You say "using our constitution against us" as if existing American citizens are harmed when someone else is born a US citizen. Which makes no sense. We have a slowly inverting population pyramid as our birth rates continue to drop. We need all the young American citizens we can get.

 

[heelinhell]

I think what Zen and Calla are saying is we don't like the continuing browning of America...

 

[JCTarheel82]

Cool story. Now do the second amendment.

The most punchable face in all of the MAGA media ecosystem.

Fucking hate that guy.

 

[Calheel]

The most punchable face in all of the MAGA media ecosystem.

Fucking hate that guy.

A lot of competition for that title. I’d think that Corey Lewandowski, Ted Cruz, Sean Hannity, and Steven Miller are all up there.

 

[pspsps]

A lot of competition for that title. I’d think that Corey Lewandowski, Ted Cruz, Sean Hannity, and Steven Miller are all up there.

I cannot fathom a scenario where Miller isn’t #1 in pen.

 

[StrangePackage]

I think I have a good enough idea of what "jurisdiction thereof" means to form my opinion, even if I'm expanding the application more than others might.

Nobody is sure why you think that.

 

[StrangePackage]

we are talking about zen's idea.

Why? It is both stupid and not the law.

 

[zeuxis]

Cool story. Now do the second amendment.

Actually, they were very clear about the second amendment. The idea was that a well-regulated (that means trained) militia was necessary for the defense of the state, and in that context guns were necessary. Logically, once volunteer militias were replaced by standing armies and weapons were furnished by the government, that initial clause is no longer true, and therefore the right is no longer valid.

 

[UNCatTech]

Were the only country in the world STUPID enough to elect a narcissistic, pedophile, felon, serial adulter, failed businessman, nepotism baby as president.

There fixed it for him.

 

[uncgriff]

The biggest issue with our country is the fact that constitutional amendments are now a dead end process when the founders absolutely relied on it to 'fix' issues that they could not foresee or that no longer served the common welfare.