"Severance" Thread ; "But I'm her, Mark. I'm her."

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A theory I have about Irv is that he could have been -re-integrated but Inwonder of instead he did a different attempt — reversing the poles, so to speak, so when he goes to work at Lumon his outie is now the one activated and when he leaves his innie is activated.

Recall the pregnant woman in season one who Devon met and pretty clearly had an implant activated so the severed self suffered childbirth, then deactivated after the kid was born. And the Glasgow initiative of whatever they called it had blocked Helena from being activated as innie Helly, so there are different ways the implant can work.

anyway, we haven’t found out what happened when Irv ended season one banging on the door of Bert’s outie. And I don’t recall innie Irv doing any sketching in season one but suddenly he has a booklet full of sketches of Burt — could be reintegration but could be outie Irv, who obsessive paints that down elevator, now pursuing his apprenticeship investigation inside Lumon. Not sure how he would know who the rest of his team is though unless he has figured out how to communicate with his innie self.
 
Also what was up with that waterfall being described as the tallest waterfall “on the planet”? Are the Eagans aliens? Are these characters even on earth? In a multi-layered simulation?

when Irv had his dream/nightmare in the woods, the screen started having letters mixed in with numbers — pretty sure the letters for Eagan were there by the end.

Also, their pointing avatars were weird. In the first episode this season the substitute data miners said their office had animatronic Eagans in their Perpetuity Wing. Were these animatronic or robots? ORTBO is an anagram for ROBOT.

Finally, is Mark’s actual value providing a bloodline link for the Eagan line to continue along? Was Woe’s Hollow and surrounding area the Cold Harbor project (not the data mining)? I dunno that one seems flimsy but the whole seduction of Mark S was weird especially since it wasn’t clear of what was going on with his reintegration.
 
nycfan said:
Also what was up with that waterfall being described as the tallest waterfall “on the planet”? Are the Eagans aliens? Are these characters even on earth? In a multi-layered simulation?

when Irv had his dream/nightmare in the woods, the screen started having letters mixed in with numbers — pretty sure the letters for Eagan were there by the end.

Also, their pointing avatars were weird. In the first episode this season the substitute data miners said their office had animatronic Eagans in their Perpetuity Wing. Were these animatronic or robots? ORTBO is an anagram for ROBOT.

Finally, is Mark’s actual value providing a bloodline link for the Eagan line to continue along? Was Woe’s Hollow and surrounding area the Cold Harbor project (not the data mining)? I dunno that one seems flimsy but the whole seduction of Mark S was weird especially since it wasn’t clear of what was going on with his reintegration.
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You should watch the behind the scenes stuff after each episode. Fast forward thru the credits.

Tillman talked about the waterfall and why he said it was the tallest in the world
 
nycfan said:
Also what was up with that waterfall being described as the tallest waterfall “on the planet”? Are the Eagans aliens? Are these characters even on earth? In a multi-layered simulation?

when Irv had his dream/nightmare in the woods, the screen started having letters mixed in with numbers — pretty sure the letters for Eagan were there by the end.

Also, their pointing avatars were weird. In the first episode this season the substitute data miners said their office had animatronic Eagans in their Perpetuity Wing. Were these animatronic or robots? ORTBO is an anagram for ROBOT.

Finally, is Mark’s actual value providing a bloodline link for the Eagan line to continue along? Was Woe’s Hollow and surrounding area the Cold Harbor project (not the data mining)? I dunno that one seems flimsy but the whole seduction of Mark S was weird especially since it wasn’t clear of what was going on with his reintegration.
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Great observations, nycfan. This was an astounding episode that knocked me off balance more than any other, and it signals truths about characters like we've never gotten so far. I think the main thing is we have rebels all over the place. Helena, definitely pretending to be innie Helly as is now obvious, still feels the disrespect--and the personal extreme power--to make fun of the bizarre Scientology/Mormon religion type tale of Dieter the doppelgänger (a motif that factors hugely, hugely, in each of Kubrick's last three films). The pointing duplicate avatars are the most obvious symbols of this yet, and point to a tale of brothers who are the same person, meant be taken that way in the tale, I am guessing, learning a ridiculous "scary" morality tale about... not masturbating (?!). So funny, so typical religion proscription. Helena wants both sides of her actual doppelgänger, laughing at the stupidity of that morality, rebelling, and falling for Mark S, while dominating and hopefully running Lumen as well. She tries to mend fences with Irv, who yes, may indeed be re-integrated, and secretly. His physical attack on Helena-pretending-to-be Helly forced them to dump Helena back to Helly. A crazy development, but one that had to happen to save the life of the next corporate leader.

More to say later. Stunning and level 10 David Lynch stuff.
 
an0maly said:
Great observations, nycfan. This was an astounding episode that knocked me off balance more than any other, and it signals truths about characters like we've never gotten so far. I think the main thing is we have rebels all over the place. Helena, definitely pretending to be innie Helly as is now obvious, still feels the disrespect--and the personal extreme power--to make fun of the bizarre Scientology/Mormon religion type tale of Dieter the doppelgänger (a motif that factors hugely, hugely, in each of Kubrick's last three films). The pointing duplicate avatars are the most obvious symbols of this yet, and point to a tale of brothers who are the same person, meant be taken that way in the tale, I am guessing, learning a ridiculous "scary" morality tale about... not masturbating (?!). So funny, so typical religion proscription. Helena wants both sides of her actual doppelgänger, laughing at the stupidity of that morality, rebelling, and falling for Mark S, while dominating and hopefully running Lumen as well. She tries to mend fences with Irv, who yes, may indeed be re-integrated, and secretly. His physical attack on Helena-pretending-to-be Helly forced them to dump Helena back to Helly. A crazy development, but one that had to happen to save the life of the next corporate leader.

More to say later. Stunning and level 10 David Lynch stuff.
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After watching the episode a second time, I more thought that Helena was struggling to imitate Helly’s innie personality when she made fun of the Kier/Dieter story the way she did and just not entirely nailing it — knowing the others on the team (other than Irv) tend to not take this stuff seriously but being more course about it than Helly tends to be. Dylan G. also seemed uncomfortably smiling along. Only googoo eyes Mark S. completely fell in with the joke.

Sort of interesting to think her more free wheeling innie would have a different, more robust sense of humor that her outie can’t quite replicate.
 
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Watching some again... They make comments like when you are fired, they think you are dead. Several comments from the team about that, including about the replacement 3

Then when he was turning off Irving, Milchick says the same.... Darkness like you never existed..I wonder if that's their fear tactic
 
Fuck that was weird as hell

How does Irving know things? Was he partially reintegrated?

I feel for helly... But Helena is a horrible woman

And Milchick is gonna snap at some point I think
 
So Mark’s innie is starting to get visions from outside and his outie is starting get visions from inside.

Helly is going to explode when she finds out Helena slept with Mark. I still wonder if Cold Harbor has something to do with impregnating Helena to create the next Eagen CEO after her. Imagine Helly having to carry Helena and Mark’s child.
 
Milk and Cookies said:
So Mark’s innie is starting to get visions from outside and his outie is starting get visions from inside.

Helly is going to explode when she finds out Helena slept with Mark. I still wonder if Cold Harbor has something to do with impregnating Helena to create the next Eagen CEO after her. Imagine Helly having to carry Helena and Mark’s child.
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It's just weird if that's the case because the code wouldn't be needed
 
Would this be a good show to start watching if you're mentally drained all the time and kind of watch as though you're staring at a wall?
 
aGDevil2k said:
It's just weird if that's the case because the code wouldn't be needed
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Allow me to propose a more extended and bizarre hypothesis:
The code they're working on is somehow connected to reconstructing Kier's brain/mind which will be inserted into Mark and Helena's baby allowing Kier to be born again.
 
Healing said:
I think so. The scene with Burt and Irving at the phone booth - was that asynchronous with the rest of the episode? I was falling asleep while watching, so maybe I missed something, but I thought it was possibly a much earlier scene and leads to an explanation for Irving’s shift, via his connection with Burt.
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No because Irving said he was let go right? That they knew what his innie was up to
 
Rock said:
Would this be a good show to start watching if you're mentally drained all the time and kind of watch as though you're staring at a wall?
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It's comparable to Lost, if you watched that, for complexity and wtf did I just see moments
 
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